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1 posted on 12/14/2008 7:36:11 PM PST by pabianice
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It defies logic, and makes sane folk mad.


2 posted on 12/14/2008 7:38:32 PM PST by ChetNavVet (Build It, and they won't come!)
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I can’t explain the UAW’s rationale, but the difference between the two is a question of loyalty.


3 posted on 12/14/2008 7:38:35 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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Explain to me again the UAW's angry rationale ...

Greed, pure and simple, exactly what they accuse management of.

4 posted on 12/14/2008 7:42:18 PM PST by Marauder ("I won't be wronged, I won't be lied to, and I won't be laid a hand on." - J.B. Books)
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A senior member of the United Auto Workers, working on a Detroit assembly line, makes approximately $3,270 a week in pay and benefits for a 40-hour week.

That line, if true, is enough to cause me to say "to hell with them" re: the whole US auto industry. I own my own company. I built it up from scratch. Last year I grossed 245,000 dollars, before rent, staff salaries, and all the other expenses. I have been in this business 16 years. I have a masters degree and I am GOOD at what I do.

THERE IS SIMPLY NO EXCUSE for this kind of irresponsible, bloated wasteful salary structure, when you are begging for the kind of bailouts these people are asking for.

Let em fold. I will drive a Honda. It is 100 per cent American made.

6 posted on 12/14/2008 7:46:15 PM PST by slnk_rules (http://mises.org)
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“Explain to me again the UAW’s angry rationale for their compensation demands.”

Two things: Power and greed.


7 posted on 12/14/2008 7:49:58 PM PST by Brilliant (wp)
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They’re Communists.

They take what they want.


8 posted on 12/14/2008 7:51:55 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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My brother is retired from GM, and he gets complete Medical, Dental and Optical benefits for $10 per month, and prior to their last contract, he paid nothing....the $10 was a big “concession” that the UAW made.
I’m a retired Department of Defense employee and I pay $372 per month for medical only. Optical and dental comes out of my hide.
The only folks around here that get a deal as good as my brother are the school teachers. When they tried to make them pay $5 per month toward their healthcare, they went on strike and got their way (I’m in PA).


9 posted on 12/14/2008 7:52:20 PM PST by Ikemeister
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Detroit should have stood up to the unions long ago, but didn’t. As long as they could just jack up the price of the car or cut corners/quality, they didn’t care as long as they could still make money. Many Americans have tried to “buy American” to support them, but obviously, the favor has not been returned.


10 posted on 12/14/2008 7:55:44 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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Goodies in UAW 2007 contracts:

http://www.uaw.org/contracts/index.php


11 posted on 12/14/2008 7:58:15 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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Unions and owners bargain; when an agreement is reached, a binding contract that is valid for a specified period of time is signed. That's it.

Whatever the autoworkers are making, the owners agreed to it; whatever the CEOs of the auto companies are making, the stockholders agreed to it. If you don't like union products, don't buy them. If you don't like what CEOs make, don't buy stock in the company.

If members of the US Armed Forces make less than comparable union and even nonunion workers, then we should demand that Congress and the Department of Defense take action, beginning with across the board pay raises and then perhaps indexing military salaries with the salaries of comparable civilian workers.

12 posted on 12/14/2008 8:03:10 PM PST by kittykat77
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"The commanding officer of a US Navy aircraft carrier makes approximately $2,900 a week in pay and benefits for a 80-100 hour week. On the job, unpleasant people he does not know will try to kill him. He has no "after work."

On the face this is an injustice; however, under most circumstances the CO of an aircraft carrier never has to come face to face with the enemy.

That said take a look at an Enlisted infantry Marine, or soldier, that maybe makes $2900 A MONTH and most certainly meets his enemy eye to eye. Oh yeah, and then have Kongress discuss cutting funding to the very war you have your life on the line fighting. You're still there, but the money isn't.

Of further disgust.... the big3 need a bailout through no fault of their own, the UAW, and most certainly NOT the fault of dems/fannie/freddie......but the war in Iraq is an epic failure and we can never admit THE SURGE WORKED

13 posted on 12/14/2008 8:10:13 PM PST by Operation_Shock_N_Awe (I'd rather be a conservative nut job than a liberal with no nuts and no job)
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They are angry because their years of manufactured lower achievement built through socialist collectivism has turned a once gold-standard industry into a second rate den of vipers.

IMHO


15 posted on 12/14/2008 8:19:38 PM PST by John 3_19-21 (Who will bailout the bailouters?)
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You’ve never worked in a union job, have you? The theory is that a workers pay should be based on how long they’ve been working there and not how good of a worker they are or anything like that. Thus the unions believe they deserve that pay for sticking around.


17 posted on 12/14/2008 8:23:59 PM PST by Question_Assumptions
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Greed.

They want what they have always had, and don’t want to ‘suffer’ any loss.


19 posted on 12/14/2008 8:54:57 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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Bogus comparison.
Factor in that the Navy guy gets housed/fed/medical and at least 30 days leave.


21 posted on 12/14/2008 10:35:25 PM PST by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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Ya but the CO of the carrier get free food.


22 posted on 12/15/2008 3:16:51 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (Sara Palin: Americas' last, best hope for survival.)
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