Posted on 12/14/2008 5:14:54 PM PST by indianbob
A remarkable video has been filmed of craft over the night skies above the city of Santiago in Chile last week on December 10th. The video shows what appears to be a large UFO 'mothership' hovering over the skyline,
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Thanks.
No doubt the clueless Woe-Woe-my-aching-gums naysayer types will rant away, regardless of the facts.
Why do they always try to sneak up on us with their lights on? Do they think that we’re all brain dead libs?
I know this might seem trite in light of your description above, but there is a difference between being skeptical of unlikely things and being a closed minded bigot. I guess it comes down to your comment about knowing "the truth." It appears that you must consider yourself more enlightened than everyone else, since you know "the Truth" but refuse to share it with us. Pray tell, how do you know the difference between someone seeing strange lights in the sky and someone seeing a spaceship from another world? Because it seems to me that all the proof we have of the latter is a bunch of grainy photos of strange lights in the sky, which kind of leads me back to option 1 as the default for these things.
It's also not fair to site pilots, astronauts, doctors or anyone else who sees strange lights in the sky and say they are any better than anyone else at this stuff. How many astronomers do we hear of seeing UFOs? How many sightings also have indisputable radar echos to go along with them? Otherwise it's just people seeing strange lights in the sky that could be anything, so the number of them seeing these things isn't relevant, nor is their profession unless they are professional people who look at the sky for a living, and even they might not know the source of some mysterious light if they saw one. Still, it's a far cry from "lots of people see a weird light" to "lots of people see alien spaceship".
As for alternatives to what these particular lights might be, I have no idea, but I'll bet there are million mundane explanations that come before "alien spaceship buzzing earthlings." You don't have to make up exotic explanations for these things either. In the past these lights have turned out to be flares dropped by planes, various types of balloons reflecting or carrying lights, flocks of geese reflecting light off their bellies, aircraft flying at an odd angles to the observer, meteor showers, and on and on and on. So, if you want to prove it's aliens, you have a long way to go.
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Why would you assume it has to be big? There could be a craft the size of grain of sand, with thousands of aliens in it, sitting on your back yard fence.
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That's your first mistake. I don't claim to know the truth about UFOs. That you conclude otherwise speaks more about your own mindset than mine. It seems to me that you're the one who claims to know the truth based more on what you don't know than on what you do.
In the past these lights have turned out to be flares dropped by planes, various types of balloons reflecting or carrying lights, flocks of geese reflecting light off their bellies, aircraft flying at an odd angles to the observer, meteor showers, and on and on and on.
You forgot swamp gas. No doubt the upside-down pie plate with a glowing underside and what looked like windows in the side that my aviation-industry-connected husband and his son, along with several neighbors, saw above their neighborhood in the early 70s (near an air force base, by the way) was a flair or a flock of geese. What idiots my husband, his son, and his neighbors must have been for not being able to discern the difference, which you surely would have! Either that, or he is a liar in very good company, including many extremely well-qualified aviation and law enforcement professionals.
Did you personally see it?
I actually know someone who claimed to have shot Bigfoot in the chest with a shotgun in the ‘70’s. I personally know another who claimed Bigfoot crawled out of a ditch, stood towering in the headlights of his car, and ran off. That happened on the same dead end road where the family of the shooter lived, and within the same week or so time frame.
That said, it doesn’t mean diddly. It’s hearsay. Second hand.
Okay, so far we have false appeals to authority, and now we have a straw man attack about who knows what. I didn't say I know the truth about anything. What I said was that it more likely that people are seeing normal things and mistaking them to be aliens than it is that they are actually seeing aliens. You apparently come at this from the other direction of "it is more likely to be aliens that anything else." And that's fine if you can support your position on that. Let see.
You forgot swamp gas. No doubt the upside-down pie plate with a glowing underside and what looked like windows in the side that my aviation-industry-connected husband and his son, along with several neighbors, saw above their neighborhood in the early 70s (near an air force base, by the way) was a flair or a flock of geese.
So, tell us: does the fact that it's near an air force base make it more or less likely to be aliens? From my point of view UFO sightings near airports and air force bases automatically make it less likely to support the alien visitor case, as we can now conclude that most of the sightings are just ordinary aircraft landing and the people often mistake the angle and configuration of lights for something else, so this becomes the most likely explanation. Add to that the fact that the military uses planes not seen in civilian air service and you can see is it even more likely that people are just mistaken about what they see.
What idiots my husband, his son, and his neighbors must have been for not being able to discern the difference, which you surely would have! Either that, or he is a liar in very good company, including many extremely well-qualified aviation and law enforcement professionals.
Well, this an ad hominem attack on my motives by insinuating that I'm calling people liars or stupid, which I clearly have not. I've just said they are mistaken, which implies no intent whatsoever. The fact that you want to assign motives to me is immaterial to the logical argument we are having here. As I've said previously, what jobs these witnesses have is of matter whatsoever, as anyone can be mistaken about what they see. You need corroborating evidence to back up the sighting--radar track of the object, a bolt that could not be manufactured with current earth technology, an alien who wants to go on Oprah, something more than "There was this weird set of lights in the sky."
So lets sum up: clearly, we still don't have any evidence to support your position that everyone who doesn't believe in UFOs is some kind of closed minded bigot. We also don't have any evidence that this sighting is a filming of an alien spaceship. Please provide the necessary evidence supporting these positions you have taken, otherwise this is something you just choose to believe without any supporting evidence.
What? Are you nuts?! That was AWESOME music! I kept waiting for the camera to swing around to find Clint Eastwood standing in the street with his half-smoked tiparillo crushed into the corner of his mouth, flipping his poncho over his shoulder. I could listen to that stuff... okay, well not ALL day... but I could listen to it... a lot.
I always watch MonsterQuest on the History Channel, but while I was watching it the other day, I said to my husband, “All the technology in the world and not once has this show conclusively found anything significant.”
I think the chupacabra was the closest thing they investigated that has any footing. I would like to believe that if any of the creatures or aliens really existed, that someone would find a body or something to prove it.
Maybe it’s part of the show—the allure that we don’t know everything about the world, or universe as it were. I do believe we haven’t seen or discovered everything, but all these folk lore stories get old without some concrete evidence.
Not to mention Ezekiel. They're in the bible and that's good enough for me. The "watchers" and the "Anakims" of the bible are probably also not of what we consider terrestial.
Was even ONE shot ever fired? One air-to-air missile ever fired? As for starting a war, isn’t it an act of war to violate a sovereign country’s air space? Still say UFO’s are ours testing them out in various parts of the world. They do it with impunity because we wouldn’t shoot our own and they know our experiments can outrun anybody.
Orders are one thing—but did he actually shoot? Or couldn’t he get “close” enough, or did his finger slip? Probably one of those kinds of excuses as reason. Maybe he did shoot but “missed”.
“Especially when you think about how many have been seen and no jets have ever been scrambled with orders to pursue and shoot if needed.”
Initial reports at the time were emphatic that jets were scrambled in phoenix.
I stand by my original position: None of these objects have ever been shot down. Scrambled jets and orders to shoot are pointless unless you Shoot and HIT. Point being we wouldn’t shoot down our own experimental aircraft. I’ve followed this for 55 years and have seen some strange objects, even chased one with my patrol car, but have never seen even ONE piece of physical evidence. The lights in the sky are ours.
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