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To: Mr. Silverback
I trust you, my FRiend.

What is the difference between “evolutionists”, “creationists” and ID people?

I suspect I fall into the third and that is what I am teaching my children. We use a Christian curriculum. It teaches bible creation exclusively. I don't want that and I don't want exclusively evolution.

Where do I fall in this group? My family watched Expelled together. I looked for websites that refuted it and found only one (the blog upthread is new to me) where when my husband rented Fahrenheit 911 there were many, many sites that went scene to scene and disputed it. It's hard not to believe the movie when very few people say it is wrong.

94 posted on 12/02/2008 5:52:37 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
Where do I fall in this group? My family watched Expelled together. I looked for websites that refuted it and found only one (the blog upthread is new to me) where when my husband rented Fahrenheit 911 there were many, many sites that went scene to scene and disputed it. It's hard not to believe the movie when very few people say it is wrong.

There is quite a bit of information on Expelled out there. Here is a long and thoughtful review:

The Expelled Controversy: Overcoming or Raising Walls of Division, by Jeffrey P. Schloss (pdf format)

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Schloss200805.pdf

106 posted on 12/02/2008 7:01:45 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: netmilsmom
I'm honored, madame.

Evolutionists believe that all life evolved to its present forms through natural selection. The critters who had gained useful traits through mutations survived to breed (or bred more often) than competing organisms.

Creationists believe that the first chapters of Genesis are literally true, that God created the world in six days. Though some of the folks working in creationist circles are competent, legitimate scientists, creationism can best be described as religion criticizing Darwinism.

Intelligent design has to do with scientists finding structures in organisms that appear to disprove Darwinism because they have "irreducible complexity." They couldn't have evolved into their present form because they wouldn't have worked (much less given the ancestor critter advantages) if they were simpler. Michael Behe, who wrote the book "Darwin's Black Box" and started the whole ID ruckus, compared them to mousetraps, because if you remove any one part from a moustrap it's useless. One of the systems he cited was blood clotting; if any particular component chemical is absent, the system doesn't work at all. Ergo, these systems must have been designed by an intelligence, or they must have occurred naturally in some way other than simple forms becoming more complex via natural selection. Either of those would disprove the current Darwinian model.

IDers are often accused of being creationists, but ID is science criticizing science, which is why it is so feared.

Let me know if you have any other questions. I'll leave you with a chart of the coagulation cascade in blood clotting:


159 posted on 12/02/2008 7:26:54 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("[Palin] has not even lived in the Lower 48 since 1987. Come on! Really!" --Polybius)
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