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To: allmendream
>>I.D. is a specific political movement with a specific scientific and philosophical claim.<<

No, that is how YOU are defining it. How do you think Pope Benedict defines it?

Our curriculums use the theory of intelligent design. Some (with Mother of Divine Grace, I'm almost positive) even use the words. When you define ID as something that one organization says it is, in actuality, you are disregarding those of us who believe that Our Lord started everything.

And B16 didn't have to “invite” and ID people to the council. The Vatican is full of them.

Instead of refining what one organization says ID is, why not refute what Expelled says. Show where a University allowed what ID really is. Then you have no argument.

126 posted on 12/02/2008 9:59:24 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
I would think that Pope Benedict and all Catholics know that the universe was designed by the ultimate intelligence. This is not I.D., capitalized, it is the notion that the universe was created and directed by God.

The Discover institute coined the phrase “Intelligent Design”, popularized it, and gave it a specific claim; namely that the “designer”, as a necessity, must intervene directly to overcome the limitations of the system ‘designed’ to change living systems which was somehow not very well designed in the first place, needing constant tinkering and such.

I am not disregarding those of us who believe that Our Lord started everything. I AM one of those who believes the same. This is not in any way “I.D.”, I would call it “U.D.” or ‘ultimate design’.

130 posted on 12/02/2008 10:06:32 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
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To: netmilsmom
Our curriculums use the theory of intelligent design.

Of course. In fact, in Catholic natural theology, even atoms and forces are designed with an end in view. As a fully developed theory, Catholic "intelligent design" is about 8 centuries old. Starting with Leo XIII, Popes have requested a modern renewal of Thomistic philosophy and hence Catholic "intelligent design". So, Catholics have their own intellectual heritage with respect to Design and Creation, which they seek to preserve and teach in their schools.

168 posted on 12/03/2008 5:09:04 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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