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To: Coyoteman

I found googobs on MMs movies. And I find that the reviews tend to fall into the mode of “ID is creationism in disguise and you know how those religious people are!”

I’ll read through it, but if it does not give examples of actual cases where ID (not creationism) is recognized on a campus, they prove the point of the movie. Even the arguments here on FR are creation/evolution. The movie was about Intelligent Design. An intelligent force created life and it moved on.


107 posted on 12/02/2008 7:15:36 AM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom
Here is another review of Expelled:

A Blood Libel on Our Civilization: Can I expell Expelled?, by John Derbyshire

Sample paragraphs:

My own theory is that the creationists have been morally corrupted by the constant effort of pretending not to be what they are. What they are, as is amply documented, is a pressure group for religious teaching in public schools. ...

Understanding this, the creationists took the morally fatal decision to campaign clandestinely. They overhauled creationism as “intelligent design,” roped in a handful of eccentric non-Christian cranks keen for a well-funded vehicle to help them push their own flat-earth theories, and set about presenting themselves to the public as “alternative science" engaged in a “controversy” with a closed-minded, reactionary “science establishment” fearful of new ideas. (Ignoring the fact that without a constant supply of new ideas, there would be nothing for scientists to do.) Nothing to do with religion at all!

I think this willful act of deception has corrupted creationism irredeemably. The old Biblical creationists were, in my opinion, wrong-headed, but they were mostly honest people. The “intelligent design” crowd lean more in the other direction. Hence the dishonesty and sheer nastiness, even down to plain bad manners, that you keep encountering in ID circles. It’s by no means all of them, but it’s enough to corrupt and poison the creationist enterprise, which might otherwise have added something worthwhile to our national life, if only by way of entertainment value.

And you want ID recognized on college campuses as a science?

Just read the Discovery Institute's Wedge Strategy and you'll find confirmation that ID is a dishonest attempt to push religion in the guise of science.

110 posted on 12/02/2008 7:45:52 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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