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To: MovementConservative

Get a standard-sized, field-bred poodle (originally bred to retrieve ducks from water in Germany). You can find a breeder in Gun Dog Magazine.

They’re just as good at retrieving ducks as Labs and a whole hell’uva lot smarter. Field poodles don’t need the sissy-clip jobs with which the tiny lap poodles are cursed.


4 posted on 11/23/2008 7:42:24 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: SatinDoll

Dont you dare call my noodle brain Lab a noodle brain!


20 posted on 11/23/2008 8:11:05 PM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Perservere.)
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To: SatinDoll

Did you know that the ‘poodle cut’ originated to help them swim better? Their coats would pick up so much junk (leaves, briars, twigs) and created drag for the dogs that they would cut it closer. But the left the puffs on the joints to protect them from the cold water, since poodles don’t have the waterproof coats that many bird dogs do. If you look at a standard poodle cut, the hair is left longer on the shoulders, hips, ankles and chest, for insulation. And the tail puff helped the hunter mark where the dog was swimming.

Of course, now it’s evolved in some fancy-pants cuts, but there was a sensible reason for it, back when poodles were hunting dogs.


27 posted on 11/23/2008 8:34:12 PM PST by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: SatinDoll
I've got to disagree with you about the standard poodles.

I've observed a number of poodles that supposedly are 'field bred' and there are actually 3 in our club. I understand breed loyalty, really I do, and there's no question that standard poodles are VERY smart, but no way those poodles are the retrieving equivalent of a Lab.

My observation is that they lack the desire and drive to go through tough conditions, and they just don't have the birdiness of the average Lab. I've been to a lot of hunt tests, both AKC and HRC, and I have never yet seen a poodle pass a test and I've seen some pretty odd behavior while they were trying to avoid making retrieves. Mostly they don't like to get in the water, especially if it's cold, but they also will run right over a land mark and refuse to pick it up. And they are persnickety about training (you can't force fetch them).

I know that a poodle got his HRCh because it was a feature article in Hunting Retriever News, but they have a long way to go before they're the equivalent of Labs. They're still more of a curiosity than anything else, and you would have to already have a poodle and want to train it for retrieving, and be a very good trainer. Your average hunter/hunt test handler is going to be better off with a good old black Lab.

40 posted on 12/12/2008 6:46:47 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: SatinDoll

It’s not just tiny toy Poodles who are clipped a`la Frenchies.


44 posted on 12/12/2008 8:15:21 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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