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To: Velveeta

A lot of speculation and not much proof. The state of Hawaii says that the documentation released is real and that what they have says he is a citizen. Unless it can be proved that the documents are not valid and that the state is lying then there is nowhere for this to go. So far nobody has shown any real evidence. And honestly I think this is a giant wild goose chase. I don’t buy for a second that somebody could get this far in the process with something like this in the closet. So many people would have to be in on keeping it quiet that it would have to be about the best orchestrated conspiracy in history.

I highly doubt that if anything substantiated was out there or if this was deemed even the slightest bit plausible that Hilary and her minions wouldn’t have been all over it once they started to fall behind. Or that some journalist, even a liberal one, wouldn’t have gone out and tried to make a career out of it. Or that our own operatives wouldn’t have dug up something. If it was as plain to see as some folks on here think then there is no way that Barrack could have kept it secret. Were it this obvious then at the very least you’d see some congressmen and a couple of the better senators raising hell.


37 posted on 11/23/2008 8:14:14 AM PST by DemonDeac
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To: DemonDeac

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts


38 posted on 11/23/2008 8:58:17 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: DemonDeac

No, the State of Hawaii did not say he was born in Hawaii.

Click on this link to inform yourself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts

Ask yourself these questions:

Why was his name Barry Soetoro?

Why now is his name Barack Hussein 0bama?

Is he an illegal alien?

Original birth certificate ——————————Unavailable
Obama/Dunham marriage license -————Unavailable
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license ———— Unavailable
Soetoro adoption records-————————— Unavailable

Dept. of Education Hawaii Kindergarten Records——Unavailable

Punahou School records-————————Unavailable
Occidental College records ————————Unavailable
Passport (Pakistan) -——————— Unavailable

Columbia College ——————Unavailable
No one remembers him at Columbia.
Columbia thesis ————Unavailable

Harvard College records ———————Unavailable
Harvard Law Review articles —————— Unavailable
(Evidence that one may have been written, yet it is unsigned)

Baptism certificate ————————Unavailable

Medical records ————————Unavailable

Illinois State Senate records ———————None
Illinois State Senate schedule————————Lost
Law practice client list —————— Not released

University of Chicago scholarly articles –——— None on file

Indonesian Besuki School Application—————Located
(Enrolled with name Barry Soetoro-faith “Islam”)

Selective Service Registration— Recently Released, but suspected as fraudulent


40 posted on 11/23/2008 9:09:45 AM PST by LucyT (.......................Don't go wobbly now.......................)
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To: DemonDeac

“The state of Hawaii says that the documentation released is real and that what they have says he is a citizen.”

Au contraire, Hawaii has acknowledged that there is a vault copy of his birth certificate on file. They did not verify or certify that he was born in Hawaii.


49 posted on 11/23/2008 11:58:16 AM PST by Velveeta
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To: DemonDeac
The state of Hawaii says that the documentation released is real and that what they have says he is a citizen.

No they have not. They have said they have his original Hawaiian birth certificate, and that the form "released" in relatively low resolution images appears genuine. That just means the form is correct. By law they cannot confirm that the information on the form is correct. Nor can they comment on or release the information on the original birth certificate. There are several ways someone not born in Hawaii could have a legitimate Hawaiian birth certificate. It would however show the actual place of birth, wherever it might be.

55 posted on 11/23/2008 9:08:42 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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