Posted on 11/22/2008 4:27:34 PM PST by dbz77
I think some gays are probably wired that way — hormonal imbalances in the womb or something — while for others it’s a learned thing or a choice. It doesn’t matter one way or the other, though, since society experiences gayness strictly as a behavior. This is important because society has a right to regulate behavior (but not biology, which is why we reject laws based on race).
For instance it’s reasonable for society to withhold driver’s licenses from blind people regardless of whether they were born blind or not. The issue is how they drive. Same deal with marriage: it’s not whether you were born gay or not, it’s that you can’t create children and raise them with a mom and a dad.
Indeed, the politics of homosexuality will always attempt to suppress an honest discussion on the subject.
What they want is for the laws to change. This impacts insurace rates, payouts from our taxes, etc. Further, marriage is a sacrament that predates our beloved government by thousands of years. Government has no right to redefine religious insitutions. These are the ways that we are all impacted.
Personally, if gays wanted to get government OUT of the business of treating married people differently than single people, I'd be with them 100%. However, since the system is the way it is, and they want to change it, then acting in the system the way it is, I have to oppose them (despite the simple strength of their Equal Protection argument).
As I see it, that's a different discussion. There are various arguments against homosexual behavior, some of which are:
You might find this article of interest: How Might Homosexuality Develop? Putting the Pieces Together
Good idea... I'll try to get that done later today and perhaps add some additional links and info.
Um... I guess you didn’t notice that the person who posted this, dbz77, is not the person who wrote the blog. I believe dbz is trying to expose the deficient mentality of the blogger, “Dre.”
They will excuse the moonbats who harassed that old woman, just like the media gave Bill Ayers a tongue bath, our media is twisted beyond belief.
If she thinks CA is the “bigot” state and it’s one of the most liberal states in the country, can you imagine what she thinks of the rest of the country? Like the memo from the democrat party telling people campaigning for Obama at a NASCAR event to “get their shots up to date”.
Why is it we are called bigots because we vote yes on 8.?
I personally do not care what anyone does in their bedrooms I don’t want to know. What I do object to is bringing the lifestyle to the school kids in elementary grades, the No on 8 crowd said it was a myth, but that is not a fact. We already have the subject taught, there are books on the subject for young children and the discussions are there. I figure the yes on 8 may quell some of that.
By the way, I don’t think young children should be taught about mommy and daddy sex either.
It is also offensive to compare the controversy of gay marriage to the Black struggle for equality. That is an absurdity in my view.
Thank you very much for your links and knowledge.
I will try to get some of this on my new computer.
Homosexuality to any rational person who looks at reality, is not a born that way thing. Those who insist it is, are using the same logic, or more to the point illogic, that promotes abortion and pornography. Abortion is promoted with the notion that people have no choice whether or not to have sex in the first place, so there must be abortion. Pornography is promoted with the notion it is free speech, and in both cases, the notion of personal responsibility, self control, is eliminated from the equation. In ALL 3 cases, that is absolutely wrong.
Children are not born sexual, that does not develop until puberty. They are taught by schools to respect immoral behavior.
The culture of today emasculates males, and teaches women to ignore their baser instincts, and even to hate them. ALL behavior is controllable. Only when culture chooses to blur the lines between fantasy and reality, do you defuse any notions of self discipline.
I think there are people who experience same sex attraction without making a conscious choice. That may come from something physical, or from something environmental. But I also think it is irrelevant. Whether you choose to act on those attractions is a choice. And the simple fact is that most, if not all, people who experience same sex attraction can also at least function with the opposite sex. So in that sense, it is a “choice.” Since any moral person in this world chooses not to act on ever sexual impulse, in that sense those who experience same sex attraction are at no more of a disadvantage than any other moral person.
I also think the “choice” issue is irrelevant because there are other seemingly innate problems, such as sociopathy, that predispose people to antisocial behavior. That doesn’t mean the rest of us have to accept it, or even celebrate it.
that’s “every sexual impulse”
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child molesters and those who like to have sex with animals say they were born that way too.
fact is they were not nor were homo’s they like having sex with the same sex.
They turned on by it and because of their sexual preference they think they should be married.
fact is they are looking to use this as an excuse like child molesters do.
Not to bring God into this as many on the left do not look at it like that so they like to look at nature and evolution
so OK we’ll go by that, if nature made people as homo’s then we would not be here right now.
Nature intended a man and a woman to reproduce and that is it.
I’ve been too busy to update the database. Well, that and I kinda/sorta lost interest in the subject, but I may get more involved seeing what’s happening in California since the elections. Time will tell...
I completely agree.
Our sexuality, to whom we're attracted and how it all works together is, to put it mildly, quite complex. When I post that science doesn't support the born that way theory I don't mean to imply gays choose their same-sex attraction. In fact quite the contrary.
Now, some people may not understand what I'm saying so I'll try to explain...
When I say gays are not born with their same-sex attraction, I mean just that, and at the same time, I mean they don't choose their same-sex attraction. Somebody might say "huh"? They're not born that way and they don't choose their same-sex attraction? (Well, there's a small group, a tiny minority that admit to choosing their same-sex attraction). Some psychologists and ex-gays will tell you the same thing and they will also tell you they [ex-gays] when they experienced their same-sex attraction, they were confused about their sexuality. The more somebody looks into this issue the more they hear exactly that.
As stated in post 45, there are many ways to argue against homosexuality.
Thank you for your enlightened post. Homosexuals are made, not born. I am certain of this. Homosexuals have been lied to for so long, but the truth is starting to “come out of the closet.”
I’m going to read your links tomorrow when I have some time.
“Some psychologists and ex-gays will tell you the same thing and they will also tell you they [ex-gays] when they experienced their same-sex attraction, they were confused about their sexuality. The more somebody looks into this issue the more they hear exactly that.”
Bingo. Adolescents typically are unsure of themselves regarding sexuality. Predatory homosexuals know this. So they prey on confused kids. Then, when a boy responds — just because boys are wired to respond to pretty much any source of stimulation — he assumes he must be gay. This is particularly true if the boy’s first sexual experience is a same sex experience.
By creating the illusion that homosexual behavior is normal and acceptable, it eliminates psychological barriers and makes it easier to lure young boys into the lifestyle.
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