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Oregon: "GPS And Taxes..."
The Washington Dispatch ^ | Jul 18, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

Posted on 11/13/2008 6:31:24 AM PST by chrislind2

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This is happening again! The governor of Oregon has said that he will implement this new taxing method, and he usually gets what he wants. We need to find a way to stop this before it goes too far. Oregonians need to start a campaign to stop this now!
1 posted on 11/13/2008 6:31:24 AM PST by chrislind2
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We need to find a way to stop this before it goes too far.

If it does happen, remember, there has never been a GPS receiver made that cannot be wholly defeated by the proper application of tin foil....

Jeez, and to think I was disgusted when they wouldn't let me pump my own gas when I traveled through there.....

2 posted on 11/13/2008 6:35:16 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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To: chrislind2

The Big Brother factor is the ONLY reason to push this. Fuel taxes already do a near-perfect job of imposing a cost proportional to road use (even to the point of naturally penalizing heavy vehicles that cause more wear & tear on pavement).


3 posted on 11/13/2008 6:37:46 AM PST by Sloth (What's the difference between taxation and armed robbery, aside from who's doing it?)
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To: Thermalseeker
...there has never been a GPS receiver made that cannot be wholly defeated by the proper application of tin foil...

Of course, you may have trouble actually finding tin foil. Perhaps you mean aluminum foil?

4 posted on 11/13/2008 6:38:43 AM PST by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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You said — “If it does happen, remember, there has never been a GPS receiver made that cannot be wholly defeated by the proper application of tin foil....”

Very true, but then you open yourself up to punitive penalties for violating the law. I would imagine that there are going to be some draconian measures for those who try to override the system...


5 posted on 11/13/2008 6:43:23 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: chrislind2

I remember reading about this a few years ago. Has it been “working its way through the system” all this time?


6 posted on 11/13/2008 6:43:54 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: TChris

Tin foil readily available here:

http://www.americanelements.com/snfoil.html


7 posted on 11/13/2008 6:45:11 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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and why is he so vauge about the entire issue?

I hate it when people are vauge.

8 posted on 11/13/2008 6:49:52 AM PST by Graybeard58
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I would imagine that there are going to be some draconian measures for those who try to override the system...

Without a doubt. If you have a strong understanding of RF, as I do, you just have to be clever. There are many very subtle ways to block weak signals or trick receivers......

9 posted on 11/13/2008 6:54:12 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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Of course, you may have trouble actually finding tin foil. Perhaps you mean aluminum foil?

If you want to split hairs, brass or copper would be better than aluminum. Actually, a well placed straight pin will do wonders......no tin foil needed (aluminum either).....

10 posted on 11/13/2008 6:56:06 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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It would be awful if there were “fault” in your car spewing broadband hash all over the spectrum...especially in the frequencies that the GPS system uses.


11 posted on 11/13/2008 7:02:14 AM PST by thecabal (We care a lot)
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It would be awful if there were “fault” in your car spewing broadband hash all over the spectrum...especially in the frequencies that the GPS system uses.

Wouldn't that be awful? I envision it being similar to the cell phone jammers that are currently available.....

12 posted on 11/13/2008 7:05:36 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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Yes, I can see develpment of a whole cottage industry to manufacture spoofing devices to (pardon the expression) “foil” GPS-based mileage trackers.


13 posted on 11/13/2008 7:08:36 AM PST by Captain Rhino (The best way to calm the delusions of grandeur in the energy cartel is to stop needing their energy)
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We just lost our Senator Smith to a new gun grabbing democrat Senator. Bye Bye to any R on the west coast now.

The State house and Senate have big D majorities. The enviornmentalists rule this state. No logging, no fishing, no motorized vehicles in the "state or Fed forests" which total over 90% of our land mass. Unemployment is over 8% and our number one export is our children.

It doesn't occur to the powers that be, that freeing up logging and fishing would bring in tons of revenue to the state coffers and jobs. My county, of 100,000 people, receives $50,000,000 from the federal government every year from the feds(the taxpayer). It was the deal we cut with Clinton when he saved the forests for the spotted owl. We had one mill in our county, and then we had dozens, but one mill sent $25 million in tax revenue to DC in one year before the spotted owl.

14 posted on 11/13/2008 7:23:00 AM PST by thirst4truth
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Oregon, the state known for its law that fines you for speaking out against a public worker or a state official,

She lost her credibility with the above sentence. As a life long Oregonian, I know of no such law.

15 posted on 11/13/2008 7:28:26 AM PST by aimhigh
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Unemployment is over 8% ....

You see this sort of mismanagement everywhere DemocRats are in charge. Fortunately, Tennessee took on a slightly deeper shade of red this past election. Both our state houses are now in Republican control (for the first time since reconstruction). I hope they realize the gravity of the situation and don't blow it.....

16 posted on 11/13/2008 7:37:53 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Silence is not always a Sign of Wisdom, but Babbling is ever a Mark of Folly. - B. Franklin)
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I have two words for this plan:

Faraday Cage.

17 posted on 11/13/2008 7:58:36 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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If it does happen, remember, there has never been a GPS receiver made that cannot be wholly defeated by the proper application of tin foil....

Copper jacketed lead would be a better solution.

18 posted on 11/13/2008 8:02:57 AM PST by Technogeeb (The only good Russian is a dead Russian. Rest in Peace, Solzhenitsyn.)
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Jeez, and to think I was disgusted when they wouldn't let me pump my own gas when I traveled through there.....

Boy, that brought back memories! Back in the 70s I took the family from California to Oregon on a three-week RV holiday. We entered Oregon and I thought the place was beautiful.

Strike One. We hit the first gas station inside their border and I started pumping gas. The attendant came running out yelling, "You're breaking the law! You're breaking the law!" WTF? Then we learn that we drivers are too stupid to pump our own gas and might spill some, creating a fire hazard.

Strike Two. Next we hit their Welcome Center and were handed a questionnaire, asking among other things, would I pay them for a map of the state? Mind you, we've been all over the country and always got a free map plus tons of brochures bragging up the particular state. In Louisiana we even got free coffee.

Strike Three. We enter a coastal State Park and are told that since we aren't Oregonians, we have to pay an extra $2 daily to stay there. We are also informed that since the parks are maintained by license fees on RVs in Oregon, "it is only fair" that out-of-state RVers are taxed also. I mention to the sweet young thing that perhaps Oregonians can afford RVs only because tourists like us spend money there. Blank stare. The next morning we headed for Washington state and Canada and never spent any money in Oregon again, other than to buy enough gas to get us up to Washington.

At that time, Oregon had a three-legged economy - fishing, timber and tourism. They have killed the first two and ticked off the third. Dunno how much it has changed, but back then the wife made the perceptive comment that all the new cars were from out of state - the locals had junkers.

19 posted on 11/13/2008 10:13:07 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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Do you have anything more recent on this subject than this 5 year old article. The website for the publication doesn’t even exist anymore.


20 posted on 11/13/2008 10:43:31 AM PST by VRWCmember
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