The Greatest US Presidents - The Times US presidential rankings

Times Online ^ | 31 Oct 2008 | Nico Hines

[americanophile]

The historians will never allow Bush to be a great, but I have not doubt that he will be judged far more kindly by history than by his contemporaries.

[djsherin]

The boom of the 20’s was mostly due to the increase in the money supply that the fed oversaw. It was artificial and came to end painfully (but necessarily) as the Depression.

[gorush]

Don’t forget that after his loss to Jefferson he packed the federal courts, one of his appointees was Marbury of “Marbury v. Madison” which emasculated the Constitution by leaving its interpretation to the “Men in Black”, the supreme court.

[americanophile]

...representative democracy.

[Blue State Insurgent]

George W. Bush fought the terrorists and saved the world. The future is brighter because of what he has done.

Best president of our lifetime.

[gorush]

Adams was irreplaceable during the Revolution but an awful President, the first liberal President.

[paudio]

I had a lot of respect for Dubya, not any more. Yes, he kept the US safe and picked two conservative Supreme Court Justices. However, he suffers from a martyr complex. When the Dims blame him for everything wrong under the sun, he seems to take it as accomplishment, and does practically nothing to counter. He seems to be fully convinced that the history will judge him better later. So, he announced that he took the blame on Katrina, even before most people thought it that way.

His no-defense actions cost the Republican and conservative movements. As a defacto leader of the two, he let the MSM and other enemy of the US to define conservatism and Republicanism. This resulted in the possibility of Americans staying away from conservatism and Republicans, and open the way for a possible most leftist candidate in US history.

[SunkenCiv]

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[djsherin]

Representative Democracy does not adequately describe our system of government. The founding fathers feared the idea of democracy and set up a Constitutional Republic, “...guarantee[ing] to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government...”.

Democracies tend to devolve into whatever the crowd feels at the given moment. There are no protections of rights unlike a Constitutional Republic. Our government is limited in what it can do by the Constitution. As originally set up, the government had built in checks and balances both within the federal system (executive, legislative, and judicial), by the states through senators being selected by the states (changed by the 17th Amendment) and the electoral college, and by the people themselves either by ballot initiative or their elected representatives (in the House).

This explains it pretty well:

http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/AmericanIdeal/aspects/demrep.html

[ALPAPilot]

Abraham Lincoln knew that the slaves were freed by the blood and sweat of the union soldiers.

Obama will thank their descendants with a bill for reparations.

[SunkenCiv]

Washington #2. Got thinking about it, this may be a duplicate topic. But anyway, may be pingworthy.

[djsherin]

Plus he spent like a drunken sailor.

[ALPAPilot]

Few were more incompetent than Carter, but Wilson and FDR did far more damage to our founding principles.

[mysterio]

Thomas Jefferson.

[SunkenCiv]

No affiliation, Federalist, Democratic-Republican, Democratic, Whig, Republican

1. George Washington (1789-1797)
2. John Adams (1797-1801) F
3. Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) DR
4. James Madison (1809-1817) DR
5. James Monroe (1817-1825) DR
6. John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) DR
7. Andrew Jackson (1829-1837) D
8. Martin Van Buren (1837-1841) D
9. William Henry Harrison (1841) W
10. John Tyler (see note) (1841-1845) W
11. James K. Polk (1845-1849) D
12. Zachary Taylor (1849-1850) W
13. Millard Fillmore (1850-1853) W
14. Franklin Pierce (1853-1857) D
15. James Buchanan (1857-1861) D
16. Abraham Lincoln (1861-1865) R
17. Andrew Johnson (1865-1869) D
18. Ulysses S. Grant (1869-1877) R
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881) R
20. James A. Garfield (1881) R
21. Chester A. Arthur (1881-1885) R
22. Grover Cleveland (1885-1889) D
23. Benjamin Harrison (1889-1893) R
24. Grover Cleveland (1893-1897) D
25. William McKinley (1897-1901) R
26. Theodore Roosevelt (1901-1909) R
27. William Howard Taft (1909-1913) R
28. Woodrow Wilson (1913-1921) D
29. Warren G. Harding (1921-1923) R
30. Calvin Coolidge (1923-1929) R
31. Herbert Hoover (1929-1933) R
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933-1945) D
33. Harry S. Truman (1945-1953) D
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953-1961) R
35. John F. Kennedy (1961-1963) D
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (1963-1969) D
37. Richard Nixon (1969-1974) R
38. Gerald Ford (1974-1977) R
39. Jimmy Carter (1977-1981) D
40. Ronald Reagan (1981-1989) R
41. George H. W. Bush (1989-1993) R
42. Bill Clinton (1993-2001) D
43. George W. Bush (2001-present) R

[djsherin]

The war was not fought about slavery and the issue of slavery as believed by Lee and other Confederate generals was a dying cause anyway. It was completely about States’ rights. The North’s brutal campaign against the South is inexcusable with such atrocities as Sherman’s march.

[Poison Pill]

The historians will never allow Bush to be a great, but I have not doubt that he will be judged far more kindly by history than by his contemporaries.

It really does take 2 generations to get perspective on that sort of thing. By then the blinkered haters will be long gone. My guess is Bush II goes up significantly over time. In 50 years Iraq will be studied as the gold standard in dealing with an asymmetric enemy.

[mysterio]

Best president of our lifetime.

How old are you?

[Palin4President]

Lincoln over Washington is a joke.

The worst is probably Grant or Carter.

[BGHater]

Lol. Not gonna go on a limb and fill in 44?