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FREEPERS- Debunk BO supporters' "He's a genius" talking points

Posted on 10/18/2008 3:30:15 PM PDT by publius_in_abq

Maybe this has been posted already, but I've grown tired of the talking points about how smart Obama is...from liberal supporters to liberal and conservative pundits alike. As a black conservative, I know that if we were talking about a black Republican, all of the following would be brought up. Fair is fair, so let's scrutinize the background evidence for this claim:

1. Obama won't release his transcripts: no undergrad grades, SATs, LSATs, or Harvard Law grades. At this time in other elections, we knew all of this and more about Bush, Gore, Kerry, etc.

2. We know Obama didn't graduate from Columbia with honors, yet he got into Harvard Law:

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

3. He apparently graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law in 1991, but I can find no definitive proof of this other than news articles that repeat the claim. If someone has, please post it. But consider this: Harvard Law conferred honors upon 4 out of 5 graduates (80%) until 1999 when they cut it back to 40% of graduates:

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/jun/10/news/mn-46135

This means that magna cum laude could have been top 50-30% or so of their class! Certainly not as impressive as the definition of magna cum laude (top 10%) at Harvard Law currently:

www.law.harvard.edu/ocs/employers/HLS_Grading_System.htm

A liberal friend sent me the link for the current grading system to defend Obama's law degree honors, but I promptly sent him the LATimes article and haven't heard nary a word from him since.

4. According to the NYTimes, until the 70s, editors to the Harvard Law review were selected on the basis of grades and the president was the highest ranking student:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260

The system was changed to also let students on the review through a writing competition in order to "ensure that minority students became editors of the Review." Presidents are no longer the highest ranked student, but is chosen through an election process.

5. As president of the Harvard Law review, and in his time at U of Chicago, he published not one scholarly article, and yet was in line to be a faculty member of the U of Chicago law school:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12705.html

So note all of these facts when you get into a future debate with someone about how brilliant Obama is. Maybe he is brilliant, but these facts show there are plenty of holes in the evidence pile for that claim.


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KEYWORDS: gradesharvard; obamaelection
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1 posted on 10/18/2008 3:30:15 PM PDT by publius_in_abq
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To: publius_in_abq

errr, ahhh, ummm, uhhh, errr ahhh ....

Obama is a teleprompter reader not a thinker. Most people call that acting.


2 posted on 10/18/2008 3:31:52 PM PDT by Tarpon (Barrack Obama will ban all the guns he has the votes for ...)
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To: publius_in_abq

He picked Joe Biden as his running mate.


3 posted on 10/18/2008 3:35:36 PM PDT by RichInOC (Obama/Biden '08: We're Not Smarter Than Trig Palin.)
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To: publius_in_abq

He is a lousy liar


4 posted on 10/18/2008 3:37:14 PM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: publius_in_abq

Affirmative action candidate.


5 posted on 10/18/2008 3:37:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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6 posted on 10/18/2008 3:37:38 PM PDT by matt1234
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To: publius_in_abq
Maybe a picture is worth a thousand words after all:

7 posted on 10/18/2008 3:38:25 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: publius_in_abq
OBAMA TRANSITION TEAM LEAD, JOHN PODESTA, WORKED WITH FLORIDA ACORN IN 2004
8 posted on 10/18/2008 3:39:35 PM PDT by Brian S. Fitzgerald
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To: publius_in_abq

Obama is a figment of the imagination. He was dumb enough to do drugs and marry Michelle, mess with Larry Sinclair and buddy up with terrorists and haters.

The brains are not Obama’s, the brains are the evil cadre of people who concocted him.

The teleprompter is his boss. That is how the messiah exposed himself to Joe the Plumber. Obama was dumb enough to tell what his handlers have been trying to hide with fancy speeches. You can bet this is the last time Obama will be allowed to roam a neighborhood alone.


9 posted on 10/18/2008 3:44:50 PM PDT by dforest (Is there any good idea out there that Obama doesn't lay claim to anymore?)
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To: publius_in_abq

Just got a call from the Obamaites... their caller is even stupider than the Messiah... I danced her around with silly answers and finally chanted NADER! NADER! into the phone.

I guess that puts me lower on the list for re-education.


10 posted on 10/18/2008 3:48:36 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: publius_in_abq

Wright was not the man he knew for 20 years. Rezko was not the man he knew. He thought that Ayers was rehabilitated.


11 posted on 10/18/2008 3:54:27 PM PDT by igoramus08
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To: publius_in_abq

R-i-g-h-t. All geniuses need an Affirmative Action pass to get into law school...


12 posted on 10/18/2008 3:54:58 PM PDT by pabianice (Inexplicable and infuriating.)
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. . and Hussein was such a genius and so “democratic” and “for the little man” that he blew Joe the Plumber off with an ill-conceived, petulant, dismissive answer to a serious question - and then he and his minions tried to destroy the man’s entire life through any means possible, while Hussein spoke disparagingly of Joe, trying to depict Joe as a liar and “not even a plumber ‘cause “how many plumbers YOU know who make $250,000 a year?” Snob.

Hussein hadn’t had his nappy that afternoon.

Yep. Rove IS the genius - sending the ESP message directly to the wire in Hussein’s ear and telling him to go to Joe’s neighborhood and become IRRITATED and answer Joe in such a dismissive, petulant manner. ROVE, you MAGNIFICENT B . . . . YOU! Uncanny and almost supernatural.


13 posted on 10/18/2008 4:14:11 PM PDT by Twinkie (MODERN DEMOCRATS ARE SOCIALISTS / COMMUNISTS . . .)
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To: publius_in_abq

A Freeper posted an article from the “Asian Times” at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html in which Obama was characterized as the political equivalent of a sociopath. He is a genius in his own way. He’s got roughly half of all Americans under his spell. This is remarkable. Nineteen years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, we stand ready to be taken over in a stealth Communist campaign.


14 posted on 10/18/2008 4:43:45 PM PDT by beejaa
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To: Tijeras_Slim
and finally chanted NADER! NADER! into the phone

ROFL!!
15 posted on 10/18/2008 4:47:30 PM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: publius_in_abq
The system was changed to also let students on the review through a writing competition...

I wonder if His Obamic Holiness used a ghost writer for this one too? Ayers, perhaps?

16 posted on 10/18/2008 4:51:50 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (Joe the Plumber/Palin 2008!!)
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To: Tarpon

Obama is too smart to know that we have only 50 states.


17 posted on 10/18/2008 4:57:01 PM PDT by abclily
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To: Jet Jaguar

Special Ed candidate.


18 posted on 10/18/2008 4:57:50 PM PDT by abclily
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To: publius_in_abq
It's on You Tube with Obama saying he has been to 57 States but hadn't been to Alaska and Hawaii yet.

It wasn't a blunder, he actually looked puzzled when he said "57 States".

Yes, he is a genius.

sw

19 posted on 10/18/2008 5:02:23 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Pray for our Nation)
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To: RichInOC
LOL! Yes, anybody who thinks Joe Biden is qualified to be VP, or would look to him for advice on foreign policy or much of anything else is too stupid for words.
20 posted on 10/18/2008 5:03:34 PM PDT by allmendream (White Dog Democrat: A Democrat who will not vote for 0bama because he's black.)
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