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To: tpanther
Is there a way that a scientist can challenge evolution, and if so tell us how this could possibly happen.

Bring scientific evidence, not religious belief. Follow the scientific method, not religious apologetics. Publish in peer reviewed scientific journals, not in internet chat rooms.

And bring something better than that steaming pile that creationists have been parroting for so long that the claims have been numbered for easier reference: Index to Creationist Claims.

143 posted on 10/17/2008 5:32:56 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
Follow the scientific method

Predictions and testable experiments?

149 posted on 10/17/2008 5:40:54 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Coyoteman

Bring scientific evidence, not religious belief.

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Follow the scientific method, not religious apologetics.

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Publish in peer reviewed scientific journals, not in internet chat rooms.

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And bring something better than that steaming pile that creationists have been parroting for so long that the claims have been numbered for easier reference: Index to Creationist Claims.

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Done...MIT, Johns Hopkins, Princeton trained scientists.

Even your side admitted this particular chemist had nothing to say that was religious, and said nothing UN-scientific in anyway when he pointed out it all began first with chemicals.

And no chemicals formed on their own to provide or perform complex functions OUTSIDE of a lab, and not without somehow being tweaked by an outside influence.

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Edward Peltzer, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)

As a chemist, the most fascinating issue for me revolves around the origin of life. Before life began, there was no biology, only chemistry – and chemistry is the same for all time. What works (or not) today, worked (or not) back in the beginning. So, our ideas about what happened on Earth prior to the emergence of life are eminently testable in the lab. And what we have seen thus far when the reactions are left unguided as they would be in the natural world is not much. Indeed, the decomposition reactions and competing reactions out distance the synthetic reactions by far. It is only when an intelligent agent (such as a scientist or graduate student) intervenes and “tweaks” the reactions conditions “just right” do we see any progress at all, and even then it is still quite limited and very far from where we need to get. Thus, it is the very chemistry that speaks of a need for something more than just time and chance. And whether that be simply a highly specified set of initial conditions (fine-tuning) or some form of continual guidance until life ultimately emerges is still unknown. But what we do know is the random chemical reactions are both woefully insufficient and are often working against the pathways needed to succeed. For these reasons I have serious doubts about whether the current Darwinian paradigm will ever make additional progress in this area.

Edward Peltzer
Ph.D. Oceanography, University of California, San Diego (Scripps Institute)
Associate Editor, Marine Chemistry


171 posted on 10/17/2008 6:58:58 PM PDT by tpanther (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke)
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