Educate yourself
Posted on 10/15/2008 10:34:12 AM PDT by Niuhuru
A lot of freepers pretty much compare Obama with Hitler the same way the Libs think Bush is like Hitler.
It just popped into my head and I wanted to get it down before I forget.
When Hitler was a young kid, he supposedly had a Jewish relative, supposedly his father who was a Jewish businessman who his mother had an affair with while she worked as a maid.
Hitler shrouded it while he was running for Furher and after he gained power he trivilized it or simply ignored it, due to his self loathing.
Barack is the same way. Ever since he began his campaign he has trivialized his mother's side of his family and emphasizeed his blackness. He has surrounded himself, like Hitler's anti-semetic thugs, with blacks who hate whites with visceral loathing that will without a doubt turn genocidal if Obama is elected.
Like Obama, Hitler wasn't initially intimidating and seemed to be strong and a refreshing, young and vigorous change. People were crazy about him and he was a war veteran and decorated, he didn't seem thuggish or a bully (to my knowledge). By himself he would have been a charismatic, if entirely anti-climactic leader.
However, it was his self loathing of his Jewish lineage, and a lack of being a part of society. He was alienated and during the chaos of the post-WWI years found others like him, disillusioned with the mainstream and the government. Mainstream government and society seemed incapable of dealing with the problems and needed strong decisive leadership which was lacking.
Hitler then jumped into the fray, built a strong base of supporters who thought exactly like him and didn't just talk and exchange ideas, they turned themselves into a unit of thugs and former army members and sought out the finest and most ruthless minds.
After the failed pustch he was in jail and wrote his memoirs which didn't so much describe his life so much as his ideas of a perfect society and racial purity. Obama is remarkably similar with his memoirs and how he shies away from describing in detail his background and instead concentrates on his doctrine and ideas of how society should be run based on principles not so much based on racial purity, but on how a 'just' and 'fair' country could be built. That blacks such as himself and his circle would run everything pretty much goes unmentioned as something that should be taken for granted.
Like Hitler in regards to his Jewishness, Obama has a strong streak of self loathing towards his white lineage and an unexpressed determination to prove himeslf as unstintingly black. To prove it, he has surrounded himself with the worst of black militants and other outcasts, racial and social. He has his strong arm group the black panthers, members of the media, and also a tight knit group of hard core loyalists who will do anything to take back what didn't belong to them in the first place.
Unlike the religious doctrine that spurred the Nazis on, it'll be about the racial doctrine that has been poisoning blacks since the sixties and seventies. Not about killing Christ, but about slavery. Slavery is the "killed Christ" of the modern age with whites in the role of "Evil Jews."
Of course in the end, the Jews are always on the list. I hoep they remember that.
One problem is that Hitler was not Jewish.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Was_Hitler_part_Jewish
http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions/hitler-jewish.shtml
No. As I said, I haven't the skills to explain it to you or any interest in trying.
You don't even understand that.
In those circumstances, he might have been a participant in someone else's genocide, but would he have led one of his own? And what about all the mixed-race people (or those who fear they are of mixed ancestry) who have trouble with that at some point but don't kill millions?
What I mean is, Obama's frustrations and resentments aren't anything like Hitler's were. If BHO had spent four years in the trenches and come home to see his society collapsed, you might have a point, but the way things are, you don't.
>>> So you don’t know the answer to the question as to what purpose that random observation served.
>> No. As I said, I haven’t the skills to explain it to you or any interest in trying. You don’t even understand that.
I understand plenty. I was reading between the lines.
Nonetheless, my contention was that the original point of this observation (that both Obama and Hitler have logos) was to make a weak comparison between the greatest mass murderer this world has ever known, and the current Democratic candidate. To compare the two is stupid and asinine.
You apparently haven’t the skills to retort that ... so I rest my case.
Thanks.
H
One can compare them in some respects without arguing they are identical in most or all respects.
You can claim you understand the purpose of the discussion, but your posts indicate otherwise. Calling the comparison stupid and asinine is the best possible evidence that you do not understand it.
>> One can compare them in some respects without arguing they are identical in most or all respects.
Indeed. But what would be the purpose in such a comparison? That Adolf Hitler shares some trait/behavior with anyone is irrelevant unless you’re extrapolating that behavior to some pattern.
>> You can claim you understand the purpose of the discussion, but your posts indicate otherwise.
How would you know? You admitted yourself that you lack the ability to explain it. As it stands, my explanation is the only contender. I’d be willing to consider another perspective ... but you’re going to have to HAVE another perspective in order for me to consider it.
>> Calling the comparison stupid and asinine is the best possible evidence that you do not understand it.
I can at least put my opinion in words.
H
According to the book “ The Three faces of Adolph Hitler” ( a critiquing of Hitler) he was a very sincere young man who wanted change and could capture the attention of the audience. Once in power he went mad. We don’t know much about BO and we do know he has hung with radicals.
Yes, a pattern. Right.
You admitted yourself that you lack the ability to explain it.
No. I said that I lack the ability to explain it to you, as has become painfully clear.
>> Yes, a pattern. Right.
OK. So the pattern leads to what? What accompanying behavior are we expected to extrapolate from the fact that Obama and Hitler both have logos?
>> No. I said that I lack the ability to explain it to you, as has become painfully clear.
I know what you said — I simply don’t believe you. I think you’re using this lack of “ability to explain it to me” as a vapid cover for intellectual laziness. You hide behind condescension (I could explain it, but not in a way YOU could understand ... blah, blah) to mask the fact that your position is indefensible.
You don’t have an explanation — or at least not a good one — but seek the continuation of the ridiculous comparison between Obama and Hitler.
This is a logical fallacy of the highest order. That Obama and Hitler both have logos is as meaningless as Hitler and my aunt both being vegetarians. They don’t necessarily have ANYTHING else in common, so the observation is an entirely futile attempt to smear a politician.
H
I’ve read it. Thanks.
Any thoughts of your own? I can look up books by myself. You’ve offered nothing but snide condescension, and a book recommendation (that I neither asked for, nor needed).
You’ve given no position of your own ... you’ve simply disputed mine, with little support, and said you lack the skills to explain your enlightened thoughts to my simple mind. Arrogance and intellectual emptiness rarely meet. Congrats.
If you’ve got nothing to say (or no way to put your thoughts into words), I see no need to continue this conversation further. Thanks.
H
I'd suggest you read it again...or get the Cliff Notes.
Noted.
Huh?
I’ve read an awful lot of political threads here on FR, but I don’t recall any where Obama is compared to Hitler.
Mark
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2102440/posts
I have no problem comparing someone to hitler where there are comparisons to be made, but I like to temper it. For example. I say to people that when giving a speech, Obama is a good orator. But so was Reagan - and Hitler. IOW, it is pretty meaningless for determining whether or not you should vote for him.
Watch the video at the link above. If it does not remind you of Obama, I’ll eat my shorts.
I remember reading somewhere that he suspected he had Jewish blood. Something along those lines.
That is why I put those links in there, it is just one of those nice little myths of that have become the norm for the last 40 years.
The left has no respect for truth so they add interesting twists to all kinds of history for the last 50 years.
For the first 20 years after the war, it was written about in a less emotional, more matter of fact manner, as was all other history (until the ascension of the left in the fifties and sixties started having it’s effect).
Correct, those points were not unique to Hitler; But, who else used them? Not every campaign.
There is a difference between those that promise a solution by lessening government and those that promise a solution by growing government. That is an important distinction.
Of course, the concept of personal responsibility grows with one, shrinks with the other.
Also, hateful language is more important to the force that wishes to participate in legal plunder.
Back to you!
I thought one of the main reasons he restricted German girls from working as maids is becuase he suspected (however wrongly) that it was possible that his father was a Jewish emoployer who his mother worked for.
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