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Guns Magazine ^ | June, 2008 | John Sheehan

Posted on 10/13/2008 4:49:43 PM PDT by sig226

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To: SIDENET

I wasn’t discussing milsups. I was trying to explain you shouldn’t buy the fancy refurbished and restamped collectible in the really cool looking wooden box.

A hundred dollar Mosin Nagant and a thousand rounds of ammo is an excellent choice.

Enjoy:
http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm


41 posted on 10/13/2008 7:35:30 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Vote against the dem party)
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To: MHGinTN

He does it with a 8X scope. I need my 40X to locate it then I can find it with my 20X. Hitting it is a whole nother story, especially on windy or cloudy days.


42 posted on 10/13/2008 8:00:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that wants to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: 300winmag
I agree. My tactical rifle will reach. Farther than I can shoot. It has a “good” scope, not a $1200 scope.

I was going to get a SOCOM. But they are pricey, some heavy, and expensive to feed. I had a Colt AR, mags and ammo. So I spent my “stimulus” on a DPMS shorty. Nice and light, uses stuff I already have. EOtech sight and it is good for urban areas.

I agree, those long shots are the big leagues. And somewhat rare. For those, my bolt guns. But the ARs are fine out to 300 yds for anti personnel. Regardless, I still want a SOCOM. FRegards.

43 posted on 10/13/2008 8:01:59 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: fr_freak

..practice, practice, practice.
44 posted on 10/13/2008 8:11:53 PM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: mad_as_he$$
With all due respect Shooter I would prefer something other than a Rem700. That is the only gun I have ever cut up and thrown in the lake. Absolutely hate the things.

Please. The first gun I bought was my 700 30.06. Still only needs a compass mounted on it to shoot groups to 300 yds and more. My 700 .308 tactical shoots better than I can hold it, even with surplus FMJ loads.

Now I don't claim to be a great shot. But I have out shot every braggart I ever came across. And usually with that 30.06. My favorite 165 gr handload shoots pretty tight for a sporter weight barrel.

45 posted on 10/13/2008 8:19:18 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: MileHi
Regardless, I still want a SOCOM.

I had to cash in a few Krugerrands to pay for mine, but gold is a luxury, a rifle is a necessity.

The last time I fired a M14-type rifle, it was a real M14, in AIT. By then, everybody went through Basic with the M16. The M14 was a rude awakening for a lot of troops, even though that was their first and last encounter with it.

Since I had already shot lots of bolt action rifles, the M14 was no big deal for me, although I wasn't that impressed with it, either.

Cut the barrel down to 16 inches, put a super-efficient muzzle brake on it and an electronic scope, and it becomes an accurate, fun-to-shoot high-power plinker. Neither my nephew nor my cousin ever shot a centerfire rifle before then, and they were both getting first-round hits, although the Aimpoint helped out there. I didn't tell them until after we were done that they were shooting what is now considered a full-sized battle rifle. No complaints from them, just big smiles.

46 posted on 10/13/2008 8:55:01 PM PDT by 300winmag (Deterrence is an activity, Destruction is a profession)
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To: Shooter 2.5

LOL. Good stuff.


47 posted on 10/13/2008 9:29:02 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: sig226
I have a rare book “Germany's Fighting Machine” by Earnest F. Henderson which was published in 1914 and was written by an American in Germany just before the outbreak of WW I.

There is about a paragraph on machine guns, stating that they would have very limited use due to the difficulty of supplying ammunition.

There is no mention of barbed wire.

48 posted on 10/13/2008 10:02:13 PM PDT by Vietnam Vet From New Mexico (Pray For Our Troops)
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To: mad_as_he$$; fr_freak

if you end up looking at stock bolt guns, you gotta check out the savage tactical rifles. i’ve got a 110fp, cost is comparable to a rem 700, and less than an A-bolt, and it shoots every bit as good as either of them, if not better.


49 posted on 10/14/2008 4:43:01 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ( Detroit: we're so bad, even our mayor is a criminal)
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To: MileHi
I completely understand. Almost everybody loves their 700. It is the only gun that has ever had an AD on me. This was well before Rem would admit there was a problem.
50 posted on 10/14/2008 4:52:11 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I have a ‘95 Chilean in the same caliber, very accurate but the metric sight does take some getting use to!


51 posted on 10/14/2008 5:24:09 AM PDT by coolbreeze (giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teen-age boys.)
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To: Shooter 2.5

LOL, I just got an AK so I enjoyed your link!


52 posted on 10/14/2008 3:46:42 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: CRBDeuce
Browning (and Westinghouse) took care of that with the M-1917 .30 cal machine gun (actually first patented in 1901, but ignored by military due to lack of interest!).

Mt Browning previously had taken care of the problem of portability for the horse soldiers with his air-cooled Colt-Browning Model of 1895. These eventually served the U.S. Military in the 6mm Lee U.S. Navy cartridge, that of the .30-40 Krag, the origiunal .30 1903 chambering of the Model 1904 Springfield Rifle and the modification of that cartridge into the .30-'06, which served the U.S. military during two world wars. The original Infantry gun design was modified into an aircraft gun by Marlin for WWI, then into a tank gun design that served America's Armoured Cavelry Corps until Browning's Model 1917 and 1919 designs came along.

I once observed a Model '95 *Potato Digger* that had been converted to the 7.62 NATO cartridge by the Army Ordnance Depaertment in the late 1950s, and I've always wanted to get one and a hatfull of M249 SAW links and convert one to 5.56mm/.223 just to bring the old design kicking and screaming into the XXI Century.

It's also worth noting that during the 09 March 1916 Pancho Villa early morning raid on Columbus, New Mexico, F Troop of the U.S. 13th Cavalry Regiment was garrisoned there, along with four M1909 Benet-Mercie machine-rifles and my maternal grandfather. Ten of the soldiers were killed during the attack, four more later dying of wounds, and though the horse troop machinegunners had some problems getting the guns with which they were minimally trained into action, once they began their work the banditos suffered some 80 dead or mortally wounded, mostly from those U.S. machine gun emplacements, expending some 20,000 rounds by 07:30 that morning when Villa's troops finally withdrew after setting fire to the center of the town.


53 posted on 10/17/2008 11:21:10 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: mad_as_he$$
Almost everybody loves their 700. It is the only gun that has ever had an AD on me. This was well before Rem would admit there was a problem.

Extractor breakage, which requires specialist tools and fixtures to repair, has also been a problem of the M700 design, particularly in military usage.

54 posted on 10/17/2008 11:22:49 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Vietnam Vet From New Mexico
There is about a paragraph on machine guns, stating that they would have very limited use due to the difficulty of supplying ammunition.

There is no mention of barbed wire.

Does he mention the German flammenwerfer?


55 posted on 10/17/2008 11:28:36 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Delta 21; fr_freak

..practice, practice, practice.

Clips, clips, clips. Get them now, they ain't available at your local Wal-Mart.


56 posted on 10/17/2008 11:33:35 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: fr_freak
I have a question for the gun club: I’m looking for a good semi-auto rifle of the 7.62/.308 variety. Something I could use to reach out and touch something out to 800m or so. Any recommendations?

Since you're presumably located in California, there are legal restrictions in that state on the magazines for some rifles that might otherwise serve you well.

One that is apparantly still legal there, for now at least, is the M1 Garand, which you can obtain from this source for at little as $495.00"

57 posted on 10/17/2008 11:38:15 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: mad_as_he$$; Billthedrill
A guy named Alvin York can give you details.

So can his pal Paul Huff.

FT. OGLETHORPE, GA - TENNESSEE'S TWO GREAT WAR HEROES, SGT ALVIN YORK (FAR RIGHT) AND S/SGT. PAUL HUFF. S/SGT. HUFF PREFERRED THE THOMPSON SMG AND ALVIN YORK THE SPRINGFIELD RIFLE

58 posted on 10/17/2008 11:41:46 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: Billthedrill
I also note that the American grenadier was armed with some automatic pistol designed by a feller named Browning with the model year of 1911. Wonder whatever happened to that one?

Mr. Browning revised and improved his design, with the assistance of the great Belgian firearms talent Dieudonné Joseph Saive, deleted those features demanded by the American Cavalry Board on his M1910/M1911 design, included a magazine based on the Estonian Model 1918 Talinn 9mm machinepistol design, and came up with this:

And, over the years, it's been refined into this:


59 posted on 10/17/2008 11:48:20 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy
Actually, on the day of his action that made him famous (08 OCT 1918) , Alvin York used a 1917 Enfield rifle (and a Colt 1911.) I am sure that at some point he probably fired the 1903 Springfield - but he carried the 1917 Enfield into action.

Regards,

Raven6

60 posted on 10/17/2008 11:51:00 AM PDT by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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