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Shot a wicked shotgun today. USAS-12 shotgung
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv6_JMFoaDc ^ | today | self

Posted on 10/11/2008 12:32:17 PM PDT by Snurple

A buddy from work came over with the coolest shotgun I have ever seen. It a USAS 12 gauge with a drum clip. We took it out behind the barn and burned up 4 boxes of shells,(real quick) Got to have one of these. I looked on youtube and found this clip.

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To: Snurple
Please spare you? Huh?

Scroll back up to the top of the page. There you will see YOUR very own mis- usage of the term "clip".

Pretending things are opposite now, is a damn lie.

Spare me your lies, boy.

21 posted on 10/11/2008 1:02:53 PM PDT by 7MMmag (just preaching to the choir!)
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To: cherry

How does a gun not “look” legal to you?


22 posted on 10/11/2008 1:04:21 PM PDT by freeplancer
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To: exnavy

[The sound of a .357 magnum thruogh a 2 inch barrel is pretty awesome.]

True. But after that sound deafens you and the muzzle flash supernova blinds you what you gonna do?


23 posted on 10/11/2008 1:49:59 PM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: 43north

If memory serves, and it always doesn;t. the USAS was banned at the same time as the Street Sweeper, because it had a “spreader’” muzzle being larger than the bore. This in my recall and it has been a long time. I never saw a round magazine, but the box magazine was 10 round, again as I recall.
barbra ann


24 posted on 10/11/2008 2:41:02 PM PDT by barb-tex (She is one of us, He is one of them.)
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To: barb-tex

It certainly is an awesome weapon with a rather limited range of utility.

Sure would be fun to have one if I owned a shotshell ammo plant!


25 posted on 10/11/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: 43north

“...after that sound deafens you and the muzzle flash supernova blinds you what you gonna do?”

Change my shorts.


26 posted on 10/11/2008 4:13:34 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (here)
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To: Jack Hammer

Good one!


27 posted on 10/11/2008 4:42:08 PM PDT by 43north (McCain/Palin '08 - Now That's the Ticket!!!)
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To: Snurple

Take a look at a Saiga-12. It’s a box magazine fed, semi-auto, 12 gauge shot gun that you can purchase if you can find one.


28 posted on 10/11/2008 6:21:07 PM PDT by woofer2425 (You will all be using Macs within 10 years)
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To: Snurple

That thing could really leave a mark. It can’t be legal?


29 posted on 10/11/2008 6:35:44 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Nyet-Bama)
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To: 7MMmag
It is not a drum "clip". It is a magazine. Get your nomenclature right, or look like some MSM-like ignoramus.

Is it a magazine, or does it have a chamber for each round like a revolver? My understanding is that at least some shotguns use the latter design.

It's important to note, however, that NFA'34 defines as a destructive device any firearm with a bore >0.5" which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not particularly suited to hunting or sporting purposes. Since revolving-cylinder shotguns as well as some box-fed semi-autos have been found to be 'non-sporting' they are taxed and restricted as 'destructive devices'. People who owned such shotguns at the time of the rule change were allowed to register them for free within a certain time of the rule change; anyone registering them after that (including anyone to whom they are sold) must pay $200.

30 posted on 10/11/2008 8:26:22 PM PDT by supercat
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To: supercat
I didn't look at the video, so was guessing it was like the otherwise here mentioned "street sweeper". Chatter in the heading comments further lead me to assume that it was magazine fed. I've never seen a revolving cylinder shotgun myself --- but now that you mention them, it sort of rings a bell. That, and guys will get around to combining different ideas, given enough time. I have seen a [ahem] handgun that had ten cylinders arranged in revolving fashion --- in get this --- 45-70 Government! Ka-boom! X 10, if you could hang on tight enough. Both hands, pretty much absolutely necessary, of course.

The infamous (to gun paranoids) street sweeper, had available for it drum magazines of (if memory properly serves) 10, 20, 30, and I think -- 50 rnds. The higher capacity ones were said to make the weapon a bit too heavy. 20 rnd magazines were said to balance and feel good.

31 posted on 10/11/2008 8:46:56 PM PDT by 7MMmag
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To: Snurple

the ones out there are so expensive that the only people who can afford them are doctors and lawyers and rich people.

I’d rather have a benelli super 90 automatic shotgun.


32 posted on 10/12/2008 3:17:33 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Some men just want to watch the world burn)
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To: Snurple

Shame I’m so late here, most of the topic has passed me by. Finally got a chance to check the banglist though.

Now, there are a lot of misconceptions floating around in this thread. About the only folks who got things right were Supercat and Snurple.

For starters, the “Streetsweeper” model of shotgun (really nice South African design, love ‘em) was NOT banned because it was some type of full-auto ^_~ Nor was the USAS-12 banned because it had some type of ‘spreader’ device. Where do you folks come up with stuff like that?

The USAS-12 and the Streetsweeper were specifically redefined as Destructive Devices by Bill Clinton during his reign of terr... I mean administration. The only reason they were added to the list of firearms regulated by the National Firearms Act is because liberal gun control activists were soiling their undies at the thought of semi-automatic shotguns with (gasp) MAGAZINES being sold to the unwashed masses. Sign of those times really, just another scary evil black gun that mere Plebes shouldn’t be allowed to touch.

So, sadly, in order to purchase one of those fine USAS-12 Shotguns today you’re going to have to go through the whole bothersome process of applying for a tax stamp, going through the criminal background check, getting a signoff from your county law enforcement (or incorporating/forming a trust), playing tag with BATFE representatives for months (or a year or two) in regards to the status of your application. Oh, and you have to live in a state that allows NFA items (which I don’t think would be nearly as much of a problem as it is with other NFA items, usually state statutes don’t reference the NFA directly and simply ban certain types of arms like SBSs and SBRs).

Basically the same exact process you’d have to go through to purchase any other goodies really worth playing with; like full-auto, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, etc.

Now, if you’re going to go through all that trouble there are far more interesting things you can buy that are regulated by the NFA.

However, if you don’t want any BATFE entanglements, right now there’s a shotgun that’s even cooler than the USAS-12; and it’s not considered an NFA item (just walk into the gun store).

http://www.saiga-12.com/

A magazine fed, semi-automatic, gas operated shotgun (with an adjustable gas system for increased reliability). What’s more... It’s based off of the Kalashnikov design.

Come on! Don’t you want an AK-47 shotgun? :D


33 posted on 10/13/2008 12:43:58 AM PDT by jameslalor
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To: freeplancer

In California and some other more backward states gun control laws have a lot more to do with cosmetics than with functionality.

In this case, the fact that the shotgun accepts a drum OR a clip would make it illegal under California law. folding stocks are also a no-no, bayonet lugs, flash hiders and some other features can also be illegal (I believe this may be only the case if they are present in certain combinations but I don’t feel compelled to look up the law).

None of these things make a weapon any more dangerous or likely to be used in a crime, they just look threatening to certain reactionary fascistic politicians.

Ergo, the USAS-12 LOOKS illegal.


34 posted on 10/13/2008 3:06:55 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Illegal Immigration is not about the immigration. Gun control is not about the guns.)
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