Posted on 10/11/2008 12:32:17 PM PDT by Snurple
Scroll back up to the top of the page. There you will see YOUR very own mis- usage of the term "clip".
Pretending things are opposite now, is a damn lie.
Spare me your lies, boy.
How does a gun not “look” legal to you?
[The sound of a .357 magnum thruogh a 2 inch barrel is pretty awesome.]
True. But after that sound deafens you and the muzzle flash supernova blinds you what you gonna do?
If memory serves, and it always doesn;t. the USAS was banned at the same time as the Street Sweeper, because it had a “spreader’” muzzle being larger than the bore. This in my recall and it has been a long time. I never saw a round magazine, but the box magazine was 10 round, again as I recall.
barbra ann
It certainly is an awesome weapon with a rather limited range of utility.
Sure would be fun to have one if I owned a shotshell ammo plant!
“...after that sound deafens you and the muzzle flash supernova blinds you what you gonna do?”
Change my shorts.
Good one!
Take a look at a Saiga-12. It’s a box magazine fed, semi-auto, 12 gauge shot gun that you can purchase if you can find one.
That thing could really leave a mark. It can’t be legal?
Is it a magazine, or does it have a chamber for each round like a revolver? My understanding is that at least some shotguns use the latter design.
It's important to note, however, that NFA'34 defines as a destructive device any firearm with a bore >0.5" which the Secretary of the Treasury finds is not particularly suited to hunting or sporting purposes. Since revolving-cylinder shotguns as well as some box-fed semi-autos have been found to be 'non-sporting' they are taxed and restricted as 'destructive devices'. People who owned such shotguns at the time of the rule change were allowed to register them for free within a certain time of the rule change; anyone registering them after that (including anyone to whom they are sold) must pay $200.
The infamous (to gun paranoids) street sweeper, had available for it drum magazines of (if memory properly serves) 10, 20, 30, and I think -- 50 rnds. The higher capacity ones were said to make the weapon a bit too heavy. 20 rnd magazines were said to balance and feel good.
the ones out there are so expensive that the only people who can afford them are doctors and lawyers and rich people.
I’d rather have a benelli super 90 automatic shotgun.
Shame I’m so late here, most of the topic has passed me by. Finally got a chance to check the banglist though.
Now, there are a lot of misconceptions floating around in this thread. About the only folks who got things right were Supercat and Snurple.
For starters, the “Streetsweeper” model of shotgun (really nice South African design, love ‘em) was NOT banned because it was some type of full-auto ^_~ Nor was the USAS-12 banned because it had some type of ‘spreader’ device. Where do you folks come up with stuff like that?
The USAS-12 and the Streetsweeper were specifically redefined as Destructive Devices by Bill Clinton during his reign of terr... I mean administration. The only reason they were added to the list of firearms regulated by the National Firearms Act is because liberal gun control activists were soiling their undies at the thought of semi-automatic shotguns with (gasp) MAGAZINES being sold to the unwashed masses. Sign of those times really, just another scary evil black gun that mere Plebes shouldn’t be allowed to touch.
So, sadly, in order to purchase one of those fine USAS-12 Shotguns today you’re going to have to go through the whole bothersome process of applying for a tax stamp, going through the criminal background check, getting a signoff from your county law enforcement (or incorporating/forming a trust), playing tag with BATFE representatives for months (or a year or two) in regards to the status of your application. Oh, and you have to live in a state that allows NFA items (which I don’t think would be nearly as much of a problem as it is with other NFA items, usually state statutes don’t reference the NFA directly and simply ban certain types of arms like SBSs and SBRs).
Basically the same exact process you’d have to go through to purchase any other goodies really worth playing with; like full-auto, suppressors, short-barreled rifles and shotguns, etc.
Now, if you’re going to go through all that trouble there are far more interesting things you can buy that are regulated by the NFA.
However, if you don’t want any BATFE entanglements, right now there’s a shotgun that’s even cooler than the USAS-12; and it’s not considered an NFA item (just walk into the gun store).
A magazine fed, semi-automatic, gas operated shotgun (with an adjustable gas system for increased reliability). What’s more... It’s based off of the Kalashnikov design.
Come on! Don’t you want an AK-47 shotgun? :D
In California and some other more backward states gun control laws have a lot more to do with cosmetics than with functionality.
In this case, the fact that the shotgun accepts a drum OR a clip would make it illegal under California law. folding stocks are also a no-no, bayonet lugs, flash hiders and some other features can also be illegal (I believe this may be only the case if they are present in certain combinations but I don’t feel compelled to look up the law).
None of these things make a weapon any more dangerous or likely to be used in a crime, they just look threatening to certain reactionary fascistic politicians.
Ergo, the USAS-12 LOOKS illegal.
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