"[iThenticate CEO Jon] Barrie: "Well, this is what happened. The Post came to us originally and they were doing a story about how Oprah Winfrey was using our technology to screen things for her show. And the Post wanted to see an example of how our technology worked. So they took a 2005 speech from Hillary Clinton and ran it through our service. And right off the bat, we caught the speechwriter for Hillary Clinton plagiarizing. And the journalist from the Post said what else can we run through your service?...."
I do believe it was written by someone else, probably Ayers. But anyone who testifies to it would be listed as “smearing” Obama.
I am getting cynical this election. The sway Obama has over people makes me sick.
Please Lord, let this be true.
Folks, this could swing the election.
It should be possible to prove that Ayers was Obama’s ghost-writer.
Freep it like Dan Rather, baby!
We are in real trouble. The content of a book where he admits to being a naval gazing race-centered druggie is not a problem for his campaign. But if someone else helped him wordsmith it, that’s a problem? I don’t think so.
An important element would be time-frame. For both books, the dates they went to the publisher would be significant. What were each of the men engaged in 9-12 months prior to the date the manuscripts were submitted. Did it coincide with low demands on Ayers time? Who did the editors work with?
it would be easy to compare bill ayer’s syntax in his books with obama’s.
October Surprise?
hope so!
Weren’t the unibomber or Charles Manson available? Maybe they’ll get the next sequal.
This theory was discussed previously on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2085368/posts
To put it mildly, Cashill’s assertion rests upon an extremely flimsy basis which in the end is nothing more than unsupported speculation.
He has plucked two sentences out of two books, one over 300 pages, the other over 400 pages. They are similar in sentence structure, but so what? All it proves is that they are both in English.
If there is some legitimate forensic comparison to be made then by all means let somebody do it. Cashill’s unsupported speculations and innuendo are not it.
what data can you provide?
I am not going to chase rabbit trails, so a challenge on this:
Show FIRST that the writing styles of “Dreams ...” and “Audacity of Hope” are different enough that they WERENT written by the same person.
If that’s the case, then BINGO, the first bio had a ghostwriter.
Obama dumped one publisher for another to put out Audacity of Hope.
As a curious side-note, if you go to William Ayers’ main website
you will notice a very prominent name in the middle of the page: ABU-ZAYD. For those of you who are not familiar with Islamic culture, the name means “FATHER OF ZAYD” and it is Ayers OTHER name. As you may have noticed above, Ayers has two children which he raised as Muslims (Malik and Zayd), a fact that he openly exalts by applying to himself an honorary Muslim name.
Jack Cashill has been working on this for some time.
I really miss him on the air in Kansas City.
Mark
Well I would hate for us to use IThenticate as they ripped Ann Coulter. We could easily order a review, but how long would it take is the problem. Here are some other ideas.
# MOSS - a Measure Of Software Similarity plagiarism tool
# iThenticate - commercial tool with good looking reports
# Writing sample analyzer - online tool
# Subversion (SVN) - version control server, successor to CVS
# TortiseSVN - Windows client for Subversion
# Eve2 - inexpensive ($29.99) plagiarism software tool.
Also this happened with the book “Primary Colors”
Unmasking of anonymous
Several people, including former Clinton speechwriter David Kusnet and, later, Vassar professor Donald Foster correctly identified Klein as the novel’s author, based on a literary analysis of the book and Klein’s previous writing. Klein denied authoring the book and publicly condemned Foster.[2][3] Klein denied authorship again in Newsweek, speculating that another writer wrote it. Washington Post Style editor David von Drehle, in an interview, asked Klein if he was willing to stake his journalistic credibility on his denial, to which Klein agreed.[4]
1. I propose we run it through a cheap automated program to see if the project merits more effort and money. Appoint a freeper to get this done ASAP.
2. If it does then have some hard leftist atheis.. (I mean well respected by the media, some professional who focuses his work in this area. For example, Donald Foster.
See:
Klein appeared on television again to announce that he was indeed the author of Primary Colors. Literary sleuth Don Foster, who had found himself the butt of ridicule after Klein’s denial, had been vindicated.
In April, the TV news magazine Dateline interviewed Professor Foster, who explained to reporter John Hockenberry the methods he had used to trace an anonymously written work to Joe Klein. He explained that he first did a textual analysis of Primary Colors to identify words, phrases, and expressions that were repeatedly used and to look for “quirky expressions” and peculiarities of punctuation. Afterwards, he simply analyzed writing samples until he located a consistent usage of the same “telltale” signs of authorship. Sample after sample was rejected until finally he happened onto the writings of Joe Klein and found what he had been looking for. The literary quirks and features that Foster had isolated in Primary Colors occurred with such frequency in Klein’s articles that despite Klein’s initial denial, Foster knew he was Anonymous.
I called Professor Don Foster, of “Primary Colors” fame. He outed Joe Klein. He doesn’t want to do it. We also discussed various reasons for not doing it, not much time, no significant evidence of this allegation, and he usually works on court cases. Also, other problems such as: need pure writing from Ayers, w/o corrections and maybe original manuscripts of Obama’s “memoirs”, and finally maybe its not such a good use of resources as he may not be able to say definitively that it was ghost written.
So that’s one no, only a few more till we get to a yes.