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Forget Red or Blue State: Are You Wireless or Wireline?(polls aren't accurate)
Pajamasmedia ^ | Sept 25, 2008 | Tom Hayes

Posted on 09/28/2008 12:41:10 PM PDT by Bush Revolution

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To: Bush Revolution

I don’t answer my phone if I do not recognize the name or number on my caller ID. If they were to call me, they would get my answering machine.

I imagine there are lots of people that do the same.


21 posted on 09/28/2008 1:26:25 PM PDT by Shelayne (McCain/Palin 08)
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To: Bush Revolution

Verizon wireless here (four lines), & never been called for a poll either.


22 posted on 09/28/2008 1:30:57 PM PDT by novemberslady (got bracelet?)
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To: Bush Revolution
At some point the wireless vs wire-line issue has the potential to become a major factor in polling. The pollsters know this but so far this hasn't been a factor that has made their polling incorrect. At some point it maybe so, thus the question becomes is this the cycle that will evidence it or not?

I've had no land line for 3 yrs now [since Rita in 2005] and even when I did I wouldn't take polling questions. I think the pollsters are adept at factoring in/out these kind of anomalies.

23 posted on 09/28/2008 1:34:32 PM PDT by deport ( ----Cue Spooky Music---)
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To: Bush Revolution

The Gallup daily tracking poll includes cell-phone only registered voters. A few other polls do also.


24 posted on 09/28/2008 1:37:31 PM PDT by ER_in_OC,CA
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To: KeatsforFirstDog
I've got a buddy in Nevada that treats phones as you do. When he does answer, he tells people "Get off my phone! I'm paying for this phone for my use, not yours! "
25 posted on 09/28/2008 1:44:34 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: NVDave

Didn’t the polls show Bush behind during other elections?


26 posted on 09/28/2008 1:47:14 PM PDT by Bellflower (A Brand New Day Is Coming!)
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To: HardStarboard

My telephone is blocked for anonymous/Private callers. So, I’ve never been polled. Never, ever!


27 posted on 09/28/2008 1:48:03 PM PDT by 1035rep (HeÂ’s up (Yay!). HeÂ’s down (OMG!). HeÂ’s up (whew!).)
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To: Bellflower

Yes.

The thing about national polls is that we don’t have a national popular vote on president. We have state votes, and a tally of electors. So if a really left-wing state (or states) such as NY, CA, IL, etc are over-represented in these ‘national’ polls, well, you could have the left-wing candidate seem pretty far behind in the national popular poll, and yet still lose.

This is why liberals are infuriated by the electoral college - along with the rest of the Constitution.


28 posted on 09/28/2008 1:51:17 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Bellflower

That’s what I thought. What I remember best about the 2004 election was, how bad we were going to get creamed. Unpopular war, too much spending etc. I wasn’t a FReeper then but that’s what the MSN keep telling me.


29 posted on 09/28/2008 1:52:20 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: NVDave

I think we have states with less population than Los Angeles.


30 posted on 09/28/2008 1:54:06 PM PDT by 1035rep
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To: 1035rep

We have a LOT of states with less population than Los Angeles:

Idaho, Nevada, Utah, Arizona, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, North & South Dakota, Kansas... the list is pretty long.

Oh, and Alaska.

Most of the US population lives within 100 miles of the east, west & gulf coasts. Another big chunk lives near the Great Lakes.

The interior of the US is pretty wide open if you’re happy living away from a large body of water.


31 posted on 09/28/2008 2:02:20 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: KeatsforFirstDog
I haven't had a land line in 8 years.

I did get polled: once.

I told them I was voting for Bush. They asked a few questions and on was had I ever heard of an Anti-abortion group and their stance on abortion. I said I had never heard of the group.

After I hung up I realized the initials of the group spelled FAKE.

They never called back after that.

32 posted on 09/28/2008 3:54:45 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action Candidate)
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To: Bush Revolution
I'm curious, do they try to get the even amount of party responders or just whoever answers the phone.

Do not have any special access to or knowledge of how each of these polls is conducted. Personal observation leads me to believe; every poll uses its own arcane technique loosely based on science, most polls are crafted to return desired results (push polls), most polling questions are purposely ambiguous, and the interpretations of poll question responses are infinitely malleable.

The only polls which I would trust are the ones which; specify up-front solid, unambiguous assumptions/conditions of the poll, only ask unambiguous questions, ask a complete range of questions based on the assumptions/conditions of the poll, provide a complete range of unambiguous responses to each question, poll a significant sample size (say 10,000+ for a Presidential election), spread that sample size over a population appropriate to the poll (i.e. for Presidential elections spread over all 50 states in proportion to their Electoral College votes and in a truly random fashion within each state), present all of the above at the conclusion of the poll, and engage in a minimum of analysis of the results.

In short, I trust no poll because none meet my conditions of a valid poll.

I believe the best we can derive from today's polls are very short term indicators. Other than that, as a good poker player plays the other players, we have to play the pollsters and be aware of their "tells".

Wish I had a better answer for you. Hope some Freeper statistician can pick up on your question.

33 posted on 09/28/2008 7:51:14 PM PDT by DakotaGator
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To: Bush Revolution

I wonder if the no call list also makes a lot of difference or whether it applies. There are a lot of people on that list.


34 posted on 09/29/2008 9:37:41 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: DakotaGator

Thank you


35 posted on 09/29/2008 12:41:15 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (McCain/Palin Revolution 2008...GEAUX TIGERS!!!!)
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To: Bush Revolution
How about the question:

Do polls exclude intelligent, politically savvy voters, who would tend to vote Republican, because they are WORKING and miss the calls made by pollsters during the middle of the WORK day?

36 posted on 09/30/2008 6:59:22 AM PDT by DocH (A tactical NUKE (Sarah Palin) has been dropped on Osama Hussein Obama)
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Good point. It also can be compared to the leftist protests, we don’t protest as much because we are WORKING!


37 posted on 09/30/2008 12:08:02 PM PDT by Bush Revolution (McCain/Palin Revolution 2008...GEAUX TIGERS!!!!)
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