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Ike aftermath lays bare U.S. immigration paradox
Reuters ^ | Thu Sep 18, 2008 | Carey Gillam

Posted on 09/19/2008 5:52:09 AM PDT by stevie_d_64

HOUSTON (Reuters) - The men gather early on street corners here in storm-battered Houston, ready for the jobs they know will come their way, sweeping up broken glass and clearing downed trees and debris from city streets.

They speak mostly Spanish, while looking warily at strangers. And these undocumented, also called illegal, immigrants worry that instead of a job and a day's wages, they might instead find themselves arrested and deported.

Indeed, in the aftermath of Hurricane Ike, which left a trail of destruction across southeast Texas, America's ongoing debate over U.S. immigration policy is again aflame.

On the one hand, the undocumented in the United States -- an estimated 12 million mostly Hispanic individuals -- are seen by some as a needed labor source, particularly after disasters like Ike turn communities to ruin. But many see the group as a drag on government resources who take jobs from Americans and deserve no assistance.

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To: texgal

“The illegals I’ve seen in my neck of the woods drive brand new trucks and dress nicely too.”

That’s not the majority of them, not by a long shot. You might be confusing citizens and people with green cards that have been here a long time and have decent jobs with illegal aliens. Just because they look Mexican does not mean they are illegal aliens. There are an awful lot of Hispanic citizens and those with some sort of legal status who are allowed to work and who have been here a long time and who are making decent money. I live in a pretty small town and every month over a hundred people swear in as citizens here and the majority are Mexican or Central Americans.


21 posted on 09/19/2008 6:54:03 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: raybbr

This crap about Americans not being able to do anything like building a house is at least partially true but as with so many other things it’s the fault of government.

It’s a rare American who has the knowledge and licensing to build a house according to the rainbow of regulations that have to be followed. This leaves us at the mercy of an army of contractors who may or may not be ethical enough to obey the law.

I would like to put in a permanent dock on my shoreline here. Looking at doing it myself I found that I could do it for a little over $1000. Unfortunately I had to file blueprints with the army corps of engineers, and the DEQ. Naturally it didn’t meet regulations and safety standards. Basically they told me that I should seek a licensed contractor. I shopped around and found that I could have it done for $7000 and up.

I’ve got a rickety aluminium dock that I have to put in every spring and take out in the fall.


22 posted on 09/19/2008 6:56:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: cripplecreek
Why don't you hire an engineer, have him make a design with prints acceptable to the AC of E and then build it to those specs?

Also, hiring illegals still wouldn't pass the requirements.

You are right about the ridiculous regulations. When I built my house ten years ago it cost me a lot less just for permitting than it would today. I did all the electrical, plumbing and various other parts of the house.

I hear in parts of CA home building permits can be as much as $50K. That's absurd.

23 posted on 09/19/2008 7:07:53 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
Why don't you hire an engineer, have him make a design with prints acceptable to the AC of E and then build it to those specs?

Mostly because it's damned ridiculous and expensive. After all, the safety issue is nonsense since it isn't going to be a public dock and I fail to see the great danger if I fall into 4 feet of water.

I'm just going to do what my neighbors have all done and build it when nobody's looking.
24 posted on 09/19/2008 7:12:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting Conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: cripplecreek
I have a friend who owns a marina/dock building company....well today, the dock building part is padding the resume. As far back as the early 90’s, I remember him saying that to just repair an existing bulkhead on a salt water canal involved dealing with more than 20 different permits if he were to do it legally. He stopped the dock building business because the fees to various government agencies and his lawyer fees made it a losing proposition. Granted, this is in Brooklyn, NYC, so other locales may be a little different, but the impediments and costs are far more than material, equipment and labor.
25 posted on 09/19/2008 7:17:05 AM PDT by Roccus (POLITICIAN.....................A four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: TKDietz
The majority work force here are Mexican or Central Americans and most are Illegal. Our area was just hit by Hurricane Ike and most of those Illegals are not to be found now.
We have a number of white Midwesterners pouring in here to work.
26 posted on 09/19/2008 7:43:31 AM PDT by BellStar (Gov. Palin is a Champ!)
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To: Kirkwood
Puke all you want, but the Mexicans do work that no one else wants. What can you do to change that? Nothing.

Wrong. Americans can and will work, if they can. The damage caused by Ike is a case in point. Before the rains had even stopped Saturday morning, half our neighborhood was already buzzing with activity as people cleaned up trees and branches from their own yards.

27 posted on 09/19/2008 9:06:03 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Brother, can you spare a dime?)
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28 posted on 09/19/2008 9:24:45 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: cripplecreek

Build it so that you can unbolt half a dozen straps, put a couple of rods (or logs) under it, attach wheels and tow it up out of the water. If you build it onshore and roll it into the water, you’ll know exactly what to do to tow it back onto land.

That’ll make it difficult for anyone to declare it as a permant structure.


29 posted on 09/19/2008 10:08:01 AM PDT by B4Ranch (I'd rather have a VP that can gut a Moose, than a President that want's to gut our Second Amendment!)
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To: stevie_d_64

Oh please.

I distinctly remember that skilled Americans from all over the country showed up in Louisiana to help with the recovery from Katrina and they lost the construction jobs (some of whom were electricians even) and were sent home when the illegal aliens showed up and stole them at lower wages.


30 posted on 09/19/2008 10:21:30 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Don't blame me.....I support DUNCAN HUNTER. / NOTHING will change with McCain.)
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To: TexasRepublic

What’s more, the cleanup was being done with rakes and brooms. Now I am hearing the sound of useless leaf blowers again (that just blow the debris into someone else’s space).


31 posted on 09/19/2008 10:30:56 AM PDT by weegee (Obama's a uniter?"I want you to argue with them (friends,neighbors,Republicans) & get in their face")
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To: BellStar

Half of Ferttita’s work force left?

When Alicia hit in ‘83 my ex worked at Jimmie Walkers. The male staff and some of the illegals helped the contractors rebuild the interior of JW’s and the Flying Dutchman.


32 posted on 09/19/2008 10:36:34 AM PDT by Jaded ("Eloquence is no substitute for experience" -Joe Lieberman)
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33 posted on 09/19/2008 2:26:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile hasn't been updated since Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: cripplecreek
I'm just going to do what my neighbors have all done and build it when nobody's looking.

Oh, ok. That's even better.

34 posted on 09/20/2008 5:31:01 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: stevie_d_64
I say let them do the work then deport them after confiscating their ill-gotten gains like they do drug dealers.
35 posted on 09/20/2008 5:38:10 PM PDT by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: Kirkwood

quote:
Mexicans do work that no one else wants. What can you do to change that? Nothing.”


Hmmm. Are you Robo-poster ? Or do always just regurgitate
the same empty rhetoric published by the businesses (big and small) that profit from sub-standard wages and no payroll ?

I do know illegals personally. They do not come here to do sh*t work for pennies. They come here hoping for amnesty.
They pay for a false ID and SS, work in a job until they
into a better one (yours). They are having massive credit problems but don’t worry, the false ID will protect their true identity so they will not have to pay their debtors- you will.

ILLEGALS do not want to integrate, that is why they celebrate Mexico every chance they get. The same Mexico that kicked them to the curb.

The son of One of the LEGAL Mexican immigrants who I am friends with said about illegals: “...there are too many here, we don’t want anymore.”

I could say much more but time to sign off. Later Mr. Robo.


36 posted on 09/22/2008 8:10:30 PM PDT by biscuit jane ( i h^te tyPing)
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