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To: Diamond
You have twice declined to answer the question as to what are you comparing the universe to in order to say that there's something wrong with it.

Please point out where I said there was something "wrong" with the universe.

You do not need a definition of God

Yes I do and you said you knew what the definition of "God" is. Nothing can be said to exist unless it can be defined.

37 posted on 09/19/2008 11:20:11 AM PDT by Soliton (> 100)
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To: Soliton
Please point out where I said there was something "wrong" with the universe.

If you want to nitpick, I did not use the word "say" literally, as if I were actually quoting you using the word "wrong", but merely to posit the logical point that in order for the notion of "fool" to be intelligible at all there must be some standard by which to measure whether or not a designation of certain collections of atoms are silly or stupid or lack judgment or sense. I was positing the notion of "wrong" in the sense of not measuring up to a standard.

Unless you are prepared to admit that the notion of fool is completely meaningless you must assume some sort of dichotomy or dualism in the physical makeup of the cosmos that enables you to categorize some chemical reactions as foolish and other chemical reactions as just chemical reactions. What I am asking you to account for or justify is the distinction that makes some chemical reactions foolish and some chemical reactions just chemical reactions.

Yes I do and you said you knew what the definition of "God" is. Nothing can be said to exist unless it can be defined.

Are you attacking the quality of the definition I gave you, or are you saying that I did not give you a definition?

Since you you claim that nothing can be said to be said to exist unless it can be defined, and you are either unable or unwilling to give me an account of the term "fool", does it then follow that fools cannot be said to exist?

I guess I could then ask you if Creationists are something that cannot be said to exist, who you arguing with?

Cordially,

38 posted on 09/19/2008 9:20:02 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Soliton; Diamond

“Nothing can be said to exist unless it can be defined.”

Perhaps you mean implicitely “defined” or that some terms have meaning even if not easily definable. I’m assuming you’re not speaking of ostesibly defined entities.

I’ve never come across an adequate definition for the color “red”, at least as a qualia though I have little doubts that the color “red” exists (definable or not).


45 posted on 09/19/2008 11:57:39 PM PDT by TrevorSnowsrap
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