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Using a .410 is akin to bow hunting. The object is to increase the level of difficulty.

BTW, the .410 is not measured like the the others. I’m sure you know but that didn’t come through clearly in your piece.

As for me, Rem 870 with a long ribbed barrel and a short iron sighted barrel, both with Rem choke.

Yeah ... others have commented the same thing on my blog (and you're right ... I did know that even when I was writing it) But my thought was that I could alsways explain a relatively small detail like that later. It didn't seem critical to include it especially since it's a piece written for first time gun buyers.

In my mind, Remington is really the gun by which all others are measured. (well ... you know ... for a working American guns for peasants like me... you can't compare a Remington to a Purdy but who would?) I think the new turkish guns come close enough in quality to a Remington and are priced enough less than a remington to be a good value. They are not in my opinion "the same as a remington", but I think they are worth the price all the same. That goes double in my mind, for someone who is just starting to shoot and should be looking to keep the expense ot a minimum.