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Flu shot does not reduce risk of death (in elderly)
American Thoracic Society ^ | Aug 29, 2008 | Unknown

Posted on 08/29/2008 4:02:48 AM PDT by decimon

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Finally, Dr. Majumder said, the findings are a reminder to researchers that "the healthy-user effect is everywhere you don't want it to be."
1 posted on 08/29/2008 4:02:49 AM PDT by decimon
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... because they are elderly. Flu or no flu; shot or no shot, dying is pretty inevitable for the elderly.
2 posted on 08/29/2008 4:06:30 AM PDT by Gerasimov (www.totels.com/insideout)
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True, but not all come to a rapid end for some jihadi microbes.


3 posted on 08/29/2008 4:12:38 AM PDT by decimon
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Dying is pretty inevitable for the young, as well. In fact, despite advances in medical technology, the risk of death for all humans remains at 100%.


4 posted on 08/29/2008 4:24:39 AM PDT by dsmtoday
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To: decimon

This is what I’ve been saying for years. Flu shots are not the end all be all.

Every year I’ve gotten one, I’ve been sick, dead sick, with no change in lifestyle.

I don’t get them for me, I don’t get them for my kids nor does my hubby get them and we do just fine,

It’s the flu for heaven’s sake, I had it once a year as a child, Bad cough or throwing up, so what? Ya get over it.

However I must add, we are all healthy with nothing chronic.


5 posted on 08/29/2008 4:24:48 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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The chance of death for the elderly is 100%. Accept it and move on.


6 posted on 08/29/2008 4:28:17 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (THE WORLD ENDS!!! Conservatives, Republicans hardest hit.)
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To: netmilsmom

I can’t say the flu shot has ever been beneficial for me. However, last year I got the pneumonia vaccine after I got the flu shot, and this morning is the first stuffy nose I have had. (And I always have had sinus problems in the spring!)


7 posted on 08/29/2008 4:28:45 AM PDT by mathluv
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However I must add, we are all healthy with nothing chronic

I have a chronic illness (MS) but I don't get the flu vaccine. Everytime I've gotten one I've had an exacerbation. Granted if I get the flu, I'll probably have an exacerbation, but I have rarely had the flu in the years I haven't taken one, and the years I take it, I guarantee myself a flare up because of the after effects of the vaccine.

I took the pneumonia vaccine last year at my GP's request...sure enough flare up of my MS. I'm steering clear of vaccines.

8 posted on 08/29/2008 4:30:59 AM PDT by Dawn531
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See, I have no chronic problems.
And see no reason to get any of these shots.


9 posted on 08/29/2008 4:32:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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I rarely get the flu, and I’ve never had a shot. I do wash my hands a lot, though.


10 posted on 08/29/2008 4:32:25 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dawn531

Really!?!

See that says something to me. You are being given something to boost your immunity, yet isn’t MS an Auto-immunine disease?

One would think that anyone with auto-immune problems should not get one of these.


11 posted on 08/29/2008 4:34:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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I went years without getting any of the shots. Now that I am older, I follow the advice of my doctor. I do have some chronic problems.


12 posted on 08/29/2008 4:36:52 AM PDT by mathluv
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They Lady!

My poor daughter was always sick. She was out of Kindergarten 37 days with everything from Norwalk virus to pink eye. And when she got sick, so did her little sister who would end up with UTIs so they wanted to do surgery on her.

What happens, I start to homeschool and suddenly, they are very rarely sick. They can even go around other sick kids and not get sick.

I think they built up natural immunities.


13 posted on 08/29/2008 4:37:24 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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I certainly cannot argue with your skills as an actuary!
14 posted on 08/29/2008 4:38:36 AM PDT by Gerasimov (www.totels.com/insideout)
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I can't get flu shots because when I do I get that strain of flu only much, much worse.

I went 26 years between bouts of flu and I last had a mild case of it back in 1992 or '93.

When my late father was in the Army he had to have special orders cut for him not to get flu shots cause he would get the flu when he did. He didn't get a flu shot he didn't get the flu and I'm the same way.

15 posted on 08/29/2008 4:38:51 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Homosexuality IS a choice! There isn't any biological reason for it. They CHOOSE to be that way!)
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To: netmilsmom
I believe it. Another very good reason to home-school!
16 posted on 08/29/2008 4:40:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: netmilsmom

Actually anything that boosts the immune response, messes with MS.

We take interferons (some of us) to modulate our immune systems so they don’t attack our nerves (myelin.)

A cold, a bladder infection, anything that hypes up your immune response will cause a rise in symptoms. They warn against taking immune boosters such as echinacea for the same reason. Our immune systems are not suppressed or lacking.

Normally I don’t catch many viruses, or colds. The whole family can pass it around, but I’ll stay healthy...one advantage to having an immune system on hyper drive, LOL.

In severe exacerbations they give steroids to suppress the immune response..I, personally, rather wait out the flares as steroids and I don’t get along too well.


17 posted on 08/29/2008 4:43:33 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: netmilsmom

Add Vit D and lots of Vit C.


18 posted on 08/29/2008 4:45:13 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: decimon

The flu shot doesn’t lessen the chances of death if a senior citizen is struck by a car.


19 posted on 08/29/2008 4:55:19 AM PDT by IbJensen (Ali Bama isn't going to make it!)
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To: trisham
I rarely get the flu, and I’ve never had a shot. I do wash my hands a lot, though.

I rarely get sick if I don't let myself dry out (mucous membranes). I prefer to keep the house cool in the winter.

20 posted on 08/29/2008 5:04:09 AM PDT by decimon
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