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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Thanks for bringing some documentation to support you points. Provides food for thought beyond mere message board exchanges. I still believe that the level of suppression was much higfher under Davis.

You're welcome. From what I've read, East Tennessee was the worst area in the Confederacy for Union supporting individuals. Union supporting guerillas started burning bridges in East Tennessee in 1861, and Confederate and state forces responded [Link and Link2].

When Lincoln faced a similar situation in Maryland, he illegally suspended habeas corpus and ignored court orders. He suppressed newspapers, arrested judges and other people, and refused to give reasons to the Maryland legislature about why he had arrested people. He eventually he arrested many of the legislature itself. What happened to government of the people, by the people, and for the people?

I've read somewhere that the repressions of Union supporting East Tennesseans when Confederates were in charge were not that different from what Southerners went through under Union armies. It was not all peace and light under Union armies. Well, perhaps it was for Union supporters, but not for Confederate supporters.

The South wasn't perfect. There was bad administration in Arkansas by Confederate general Hindman. Davis replaced him -- moved him to a field command IIRC and put someone else in charge of civilian affairs. There were also problems for some Union supporting Germans and North Texans in Texas during the war. Union supporters were often treated poorly.

After all, the examples provided were from 1864. How many pro-Union newspapers even survived to be suppressed in the South by 1864. The fact that such dissent and controversy even remained in the North three years into the war is a positive advantage over general conditions in the Confederacy.

I've seen the claim that 300 newspapers were suppressed or mobbed in the North. I don't know whether that figure is correct, but I suspect it is. I haven't tried to document the 300 figure, but there are many specific Norther papers noted in the books I mentioned above and on the web. Also, how do you count things like the prohibition of all Democratic papers from entering a state like was mentioned in the 1864 Appleton's? How many Democrat papers were there in the North? How do you count papers that were suppressed more than once for different infractions?

Only 1864? 1861 was a particularly bad year for Northern newspapers when the government was throwing editors in jail and intimidating and stopping newspapers. The message for newspaper editors was clear. You were either going to toe the Lincoln line or you might end up in jail for months with no charges against you.

There were not a large number of Union supporting papers in the South. Black and White in Blue and Gray says that maybe 90 papers stopped publication in the first year of the war in Texas and Virginia, but I imagine most of them were small town papers whose readers and editors had left for the war. I've found half a dozen or so Union supporting papers that were destroyed by mobs of Southerners. Some of these happened in the months before the war. There were far more destructions of papers by mobs in the North.

220 posted on 08/30/2008 10:19:30 AM PDT by rustbucket
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To: rustbucket
It was a rough war on both sides. I'm fully approving of what Lincoln had to do to secure the capital city early in the war. Jeff Davis was also fully behind similar actions when he thought it was needed but he didn't have a Taney in the judiciary to protest. The words of the Confederate general in your East Tennessee links serve to show the spirit that civil war in a nation brings:

" I have requested at least that the prisoners I have taken be held, if not as traitors, as prisoners of war. To release them is ruinous. To convict them before a court is next to impossibility. But if they are kept in prison for six months, it will have a good effect."

Violation of habeas corpus having a good effect? Such are the fruits of civil war.

Thanks again for providing more material to study. It beats the invective that sometimes is the end result of Civil War threads. And it shows again that neither side had a monopoly on misdeeds and the conflict was often more complicated than a simple good versus evil struggle. I just think that Lincoln and the Union was fighting to preserve the best government the world has known while on the other side, the good instincts of many southerners were misused for the narrow interests of a gang of pp;iticans that had more regional influence than good sense.

221 posted on 08/31/2008 5:14:01 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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