[AndyJackson]

Level 6. Special forces trained to deliver 1" accuracy headshots with a handgun at 20 yds after tenth second determination that the target deserves to die.

Levels 1-5 are hack amateur.

[B4Ranch]

Special Forces troops only eliminate threats that refuse to surrender quietly and peacefully. If making noise or refusing to surrender endangers the mission, then the threat will be removed.

[P8riot]

Levels 1-5 are hack amateur.Professionals built the Titanic, amateurs built the ark.

[wastedyears]

Special Forces are a different breed, Andy.

[mad_as_he$$]

AJ I fit into Level 5. Two separate gunfights in civilian times and more than I care to think about at other times. I can three tap three targets in very short order on the range anytime any day with a weapon that is in good shape and has the magazine capacity. I was fortunate to learn handgun shooting from some of the best during my youth. All that said my first civilian encounter was the classic interrupted a convenience store hold-up - at that time I was handgun shooting about 500 rounds a month during one or two range visits - busy times.

Punk came out of the store and pointed a 45 auto at me. I reached back into the car and drew my brother's 44 mag. Drilled him once right side chest high. I was aiming dead center at 25 feet. The "miss" shook me up until I took the gun to the range and found out it was out of adjustment.

In general I agree with your remarks but I have also seen guys who were very good on the range absolutely melt under pressure.

A very good friend of mine on his third tour in VN was point walking a dike in a rice paddy- he was considered the best shooter in the squad. A Charlie stood up about 30 feet from him (theory was he was taking a BR break) they both pointed their weapons at each other and emptied them. My friend is around because he was faster on the reload. At a unit reunion I called BS on him and his Top was there and said no it was all true he was the next guy in line.

I would recommend that anyone who carries go to Thunder Ranch or Cooper's place for a week long training and that if you have ANY doubt that you could shoot someone do not carry.

Lastly a little know fact is that many bad guys practice shooting ALOT!!! More than the average citizen would believe.

[riverrunner]

But if they hit you your just as dead.

Not every body need to train to that level to defend themselves from criminal. Lots of criminal's are taken care of my people who load their guns and only pick it up to use it when needed.

Is that a tenth of a second from a holster highly unlikely.

Or is that a tenth of a second when sights are already on target. Or how many tenths of seconds are you talking about.

Training and practice is a good thing the more the better but to say one needs to be the world best isn't real. Most people do not have ready access to a range nor the time to do it.

Should they do more yes will they most likely not. It is real easy for gun people to get down on non gun people for not shooting enough. Would I like most every body who carries to train more yes I believe it is a good idea.

Am I going to stop people who only shoot once a year or less from being able to defend themselves no.

So whats the answer Train help others train take classes past the info on ect. Become an instructor helps others learn and take them out shooting.

[xsrdx]

Special forces trained to deliver 1" accuracy headshots with a handgun at 20 yds after tenth second determination that the target deserves to die.

Nobody shoots more or practices harder than pro level practical shooters. Not even SF.

For the most part, the best special operators are trained by guys like Todd Jarrett, Bennie Cooley and Matt Burkett - guys that earned their credentials winning matches.

[Shooter 2.5]

Those first person shooter PlayStation games are a lot of fun.