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Vista's Security Rendered Completely Useless
Slashdot ^ | 8/8/8 8:8 | kdawson

Posted on 08/08/2008 9:25:43 AM PDT by Clint Williams

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To: Labyrinthos

I hate to have to do all of that before I can get a brand new computer to run right though.

One of the people who told me it has problems is this guy I know who is a computer expert and he goes all over the world setting up these systems etc. And he said that Service Pack 1 fixed about only half of the issues, mostly the speed.

I’m glad it works well for you, I know it has some good features if it is working correctly.


41 posted on 08/08/2008 11:17:17 AM PDT by Stephanie32
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Does anyone know when Windows 7 is supposed to be released?


42 posted on 08/08/2008 11:17:26 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Clint Williams

I dunno. I use Vista and Firefox. Haven’t used IE in ages. Do I have a problem?


43 posted on 08/08/2008 11:21:08 AM PDT by RichardW
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To: Psycho_Bunny

“Vista is XPs, ME”

A number of years ago a friend asked me to help her choose her first computer. So ME was what Dell was selling at the time and I told her to buy one of those. It was like a haunted piece of equipment doing all kinds of things you could never explain. She finally just scrapped it because by the time she gave up on it, it was out of warranty. I’m lucky she still talks to me.


44 posted on 08/08/2008 11:21:47 AM PDT by Stephanie32
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To: Knitebane

unfortunatly I don’t work with Oracle.

However you have to consider the broad spectrum of companies. Given the reports here, even with its flaws it seems Vista has better memory features with improve performance.

The bottom line for microsoft is that they have EARNED the reputation of putting out a product which has a “generation skipping” upgrade. IOW, version 1, version skip, version 3, version skip, version 5, etc...


45 posted on 08/08/2008 11:21:48 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: cdbull23
I haven't had any problems with Vista either. It has proved to be very stable.
I like it.
46 posted on 08/08/2008 11:25:47 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: longtermmemmory
...even with its flaws it seems Vista has better memory features with improve performance.

Hmm. I open my Documents folder that is on my desktop, and it literally takes 30 secs to open up just to list the contents.

I have a Dell D830 with a Core2Duo and 4G of RAM.

Doesn't feel like better performance.

47 posted on 08/08/2008 11:27:59 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: longtermmemmory
Given the reports here, even with its flaws it seems Vista has better memory features with improve performance.

But adds in enough cruft to make it an unappealing upgrade path. UAC, DRM, poor driver support, etc. And it's more restrictive than ever. If you want AD support, you give up multimedia. Unless you want to shell out for Ultimate.

It's simply not "good enough" to get people to jump from XP.

The bottom line for microsoft is that they have EARNED the reputation of putting out a product which has a “generation skipping” upgrade.

And that's been when there really hasn't been any other options. The EeePC is the fastest growing segment of the computer market and the majority of those machines ship with Linux.

Microsoft has never had to deal with competition before. It will be very interesting to watch what happens.

48 posted on 08/08/2008 11:29:05 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Does anyone know when Windows 7 is supposed to be released?

Microsoft says January 2010.

Based on their past vaporware announcements you can expect to see it sometime in 2012.

49 posted on 08/08/2008 11:32:45 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
Got me, I use Firefox. LOL I don’t use IE at all, with the noted exception of HAVING to use it to do windows updates.

IE has worked as well or better than Firefox for me.
I've had several occasions recently where a web page (usually a UK news site) locked up Firefox. Even after restoring the session, it continued to happen.
When I loaded the same pages with IE, it worked fine.
50 posted on 08/08/2008 11:32:53 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Labyrinthos
(True story -- One of my employees recently brought a new computer with Vista preinstalled. After a week of using the new computer she had nothing good say about Vista. Her biggest complaint was that her printer no longer worked and she was convinced that Vista was at fault. Turns out her printer was still connected to her old computer.)

Mac user?
51 posted on 08/08/2008 11:34:51 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: FreedomOfExpression

LOL!!


52 posted on 08/08/2008 11:37:34 AM PDT by TomServo
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Nope — True blonde.


53 posted on 08/08/2008 11:38:19 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
In my experiece, Vista is extremely stable, fast, and powerful, as long as the hardware is up the task

Aye, there's the rub.

Please explain to me why I need to buy more hardware for today's OS just to do the same tasks that I did yesterday.

The people I know who complain the most about Vista are the same people who call customer service because they can't connect to the Internet only to discover that they need an account with an internet service provider.

And the people that have been working with computers since 1979. And have worked on big iron, had an Internet account in 1993, set up a home network in 1994, have worked for several ISPs, have sysadmined systems with tens of thousands of users and have worked on security teams with the big telcos.

Oh wait. That's me.

54 posted on 08/08/2008 11:39:46 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

That’s what I mean. XP is as vulnerable as Vista.


55 posted on 08/08/2008 11:40:05 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ShadowAce
I have a Dell D830 with a Core2Duo and 4G of RAM.

Doesn't feel like better performance.


Does it still have all the extra "bloatware" that Dell installs on their computers? I uninstalled a lot of junk that I didn't want when I bought a Dell a few years ago.
56 posted on 08/08/2008 11:40:44 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: FreedomOfExpression

Nope. Just MS Vista 64-bit Ultimate. No extras.


57 posted on 08/08/2008 11:42:09 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Cicero
That’s what I mean. XP is as vulnerable as Vista.

I'm sorry. I misunderstood.

Then again, it's all Windows to me.

Operating systems other than Windows are not likely to be affected.

Microsoft goes to great lengths to ensure their latest offering is bug-for-bug compatible with their old clunkers. And even then they sometimes manage to fail at even that.

58 posted on 08/08/2008 11:43:23 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: ShadowAce
Nope. Just MS Vista 64-bit Ultimate. No extras.

Wow! Sorry your computer is so sluggish.
Tech support has been of no help, I assume?

I'm not familiar with the 64 bit version.
59 posted on 08/08/2008 12:00:12 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: ShadowAce

Never mind that question about tech support, I just went to your “about” page.


60 posted on 08/08/2008 12:02:17 PM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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