545 People

Vanity | Charlie Reese

[null and void]

Does this mean you no longer think that:

That qualifies you as one of the stupidest persons in the US, someone so lacking in Constitutional knowledge as to be laughable.

Just askin'...

[Jo Nuvark]

[... What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it...]

545 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICA’S WOES By Charley Reese -— PING!

http://www.strangepolitics.com/content/item/139028.html

[Salgak]

I'd answer you, but I'm getting revved up for. . .

MONDAY NIGHT REHABILITATION!!

Now be quiet, and hand me a Brawndo. . .

[calex59]

I said what I did in context of what you said. Yes, if you stand by the statement that you think McCain is NOT a natural born citizen. I can think you, anyone for that matter, can have different opinions on subjects, looking stupid on some and brilliant on others. Witness McCain, he is conservative on some things and extremely liberal on others. None of us are perfect and I have a habit of saying what pops into my mind, not always the best way to answer but always sure to get an interesting reply!

[null and void]

Facts are stubborn things:

Place of birth?

Colón PANAMA

Colón, PANAMA, not Colón Canal Zone. PANAMA

Colón isn't part of the Canal Zone.

It is a separate district and provence, a district and provence of the country of Panama.

Much like West Berlin never belonged to East Germany.

[DustyMoment]

Ruh-roh!! Charlie’s done stepped into it now!

I’ve been saying this for a couple of months and I have had FReepers take me to task for suggesting that NOW is the time to clean out Congress and start with as many new faces as we can get in there. The people we send to the Congress, both the House AND the Senate are OUR employees, They are supposed to represent US and OUR interests to the federal government.

It is more obvious with EVERY passing day that the government of the United States is severely broken and is in desperate need of repair. This November, We, The People can begin to make those repairs and keep them coming. The political elites are too comfortable and too cozy and they need a big reminder who pays the bills (we do, for those in Rio Linda).

FWIW, I think we need to keep voting OUT incumbents for the next 12 years to make sure that these folks don’t get so arrogant and so comfortable that they forget who they are supposed to represent (hint: - it’s NOT poor people in Africa, South America, or on Venus!!).

[thefactor]

i see a lot of problems listed, no solutions. "vote them out" is not a solution.

get decent people who truly do not care about the money or power to run for office. but that will never happen. for one thing, they could not afford the campaign. another thing, hardly anyone is squeaky clean, and the ones who are would never want to be exposed to the scrutiny of an election!

as a country, our biggest strength is also our biggest weakness.

[calex59]

Yes, facts are stubborn and the fact that McCain was born of two US citizen parents, according to the constitution, he is a natural born citizen. All children born out of the country are natural born citizens if they have two(note the emphasis on two)US citizen parents.

According to the constitution, McCain, and every child born of military parents, Diplomats, and others who are not in the US when their child is born as long as both parents are US citizens, are natural born citizens. McCain didn't have to be born in the canal zone or any other US territory or state, he was born of two US citizen parents, therefore he is a natural born citizen. A little reading of the constitution, as I suggested to you in my previous(possibly a little to caustic post)comment to you, would go a long way in settling your mind on this issue.

I can understand why you would like him to be disqualified hell, I would like him to be disqualified, but he is not disqualified because of his birth status, it is crystal clear in the Law of the Land document we are supposed to adhere to. I apologize for my insensitive remarks earlier but stand by the fact that McCain is a natural born citizen.

[calex59]

The solution is clear, vote out the incumbents vote in decent people who will follow the constitution, and if you make a mistake and vote in another a**hat, then vote them out also. That is the solution and it is clear that is what the article alludes to.

[aruanan]

"vote them out" is not a solution.

Voting them out is a great solution. Some people say that killing terrorists will do nothing to reduce or eliminate the problem of terrorism, that someone else will just take bin Laden's place. This assumes an infinite supply of folks at the level of bin Laden. There is no such infinite supply. This also assumes that people are becoming terrorists for reasons that have no environmental component at all. If you get rid of them faster than they can be formed, whether terrorists or corrupt politicians, you'll eventually deplete the supply; you'll also change the way people view the office and, accordingly, change the way people look at the office and select for a different set of people willing to run for office.

[thefactor]

have fun finding decent people who have the money, time, and the will to campaign.

i live in the real world here. americans are too busy sitting on their collective asses in front of the tv basing thier voting behavior on 5-second soundbytes and whatever oprah says.

candidates have to be used car salesmen nowadays because no one has an attention span longer than that of a rabid beaver.

i know there are some voters out there who take this stuff seriously, but they are far outnumbered by the drive-thru, DVR'ing, trans-fat ingesting, super-size me americans.

sorry, but simply existing has been made way too easy by the New Deal and other big gov't programs. barack and mccain are what you get now. enjoy!

[calex59]

Attitudes like yours have caused the problem. Our politicians, all of them, are the cause of the our problems. However we, as voters, are equally responsible because we put the a**hats in office. If the majority of American Citizens understood how government works they would not vote for the people that are in office now. It is up to us to change that. If you say, “oh, well we can’t help voting for con artist because that is what it takes to get elected” then you are part of the problem and you need to become part of the solution.

[thefactor]

no, i have the proper attitude. i vote and i get my info from the proper places.

i have merely pointed out what i have seen from many others. it is not up to me, however, to change anyone. i would be quickly overpowered by the idiot box anyway.

perhaps if a bona fide candidate sans party affiliation came out and spoke to all america we might get somewhere. but such a person would be quickly squashed by the media and both parties. couldn't have anyone upset the balance of power.

[ssaftler]

The solution is clear, vote out the incumbents vote in decent people who will follow the constitution

Great in theory, but have you looked at the numbers? Nationwide, I'd be willing to bet that fully 70% of all Congressional "elections" will be the incumbent running UNOPPOSED. And of the 30% where there is more than one candidate, probably 70% of those are token candidacies which might as well be unopposed.

And this is in a year where everyone is angry at the incumbent Republican Congress (sarcasm intended) and wants to vote them out.

[null and void]

according to the constitution, he is a natural born citizen.

The constitution doesn't define natural born.

A large number of constitutional scholars an lawyers have spent careers debating this very point.

Diplomats, and others who are not in the US when their child is born as long as both parents are US citizens, are natural born citizens. McCain didn't have to be born in the canal zone or any other US territory or state, he was born of two US citizen parents, therefore he is a natural born citizen. A little reading of the constitution, as I suggested to you in my previous(possibly a little to caustic post)comment to you, would go a long way in settling your mind on this issue.

While I agree that, unlike Obama, McCain is UNQUESTIONABLY an American citizen, the question of whether he is a NATURAL BORN US citizen is the subject of a lively debate. According to jus soli he isn't. According to jus sanguinis he is.

Therefore if one is a RINO, one will argue that he is a natural born citizen.

A "progressive" will argue that he isn't, and will deny that he has any legal authority, and will seek to undermine every presidential act as having no force of law because he's not my president ummm, he was selected not elected uh, I mean, he's an illegal unconstitutional president.

Last election cycle Sen. Claire McCaskill was sufficiently worried about this very point that she introduced a bill to declare him qualified.

Why do you suppose she went through all that unsuccessful effort to shore up a position you think is glaringly obvious?

Because it isn't at all clear.

It still isn't.

The bill never passed as a law, only as a "sense of the senate"

I apologize for my insensitive remarks earlier

No apology needed, no (well, ok, maybe a teensy little bit of) offense taken. But it's OK, you are standing up for what you believe, and I respect and admire that!

but stand by the fact that McCain is a natural born citizen.

I sincerely wish that that was true. After years of a paralyzed government, and endless lawsuits we might have a definitive answer.

The left is salivating at the thought of using our legal system to render the president impotent during a war for our very survival.

[null and void]

Oh, and when the Founding Dads wrote the Constitution, they were consciously trying to avoid jus sanguinis as Britain used this very doctrine to assert that anyone born anywhere of British parents is a British subject, and could therefore legally be pressed into the service of the Crown.

It wasn't until 1790 that they passed a law exempting their own children (e.g. children of diplomats stationed abroad) from the strict requirement of US soil birth...

[calex59]

The constitution does define natural born. It clearly gives the right of anyone born of US citizen parents, no matter where they are born, US citizenship. That is being natural born. You can spin all you want but when I was in the eighth grade I learned this(back in the day when they taught civics in schools) and it is so. McCain is a natural born citizen. Period. Please don’t respond to this particular subject again, it is getting tiresome.

[calex59]

It is not just a theory, it is fact. If you don’t vote your ideals then you will get someone who doesn’t believe as you do, who wants to ruin the country or to merely line their pockets or just to keep power. It is more than theory it is fact and the proof of that is the amount of stealing, lying, country ruining, liberal, marxists, communists a**hats we have in office today. Vote how you want but remember: It is you who are ultimately to blame for the BS going on in government today.

[null and void]

Yeah? No kidding.

Back when I was a Brat being taught Civics on a US military base, they told us, the children of active duty Marines and Sailors, that those of us born overseas could never be president.

[DakotaRed]

And who else in America gets to vote in their own pay raises and benefits package?