No chance of either happening with you OR Tommy.
The withdrawal was the same. The outcome was different.
The REVOLUTION was the same. The outcome was different. The Founding Fathers, who you claim to revere, knew that their actions were illegal in the eyes of the crown. They knew that they would have to fight for their freedom. They were not under any illusions at all. The confederate leadership labored under the false impression that their actions were legal, and would up losing their rebellion.
That's because the Founding Fathers (whom I do respect and admire for their courage and foresight) didn't make secession illegal.