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To: Soliton
“The Liars for God (LFG) are at it again.”

Obviously YOU deny God, in calling those that believe in Him, “liars”. Gee, can if be MORE obvious that YOU are so BIASED?

“The Discovery Institute created the Intelligent Design movement deliberately to get around the supreme court ruling prohibiting teaching creationism in public schools.”

NO, it's another form of the 2nd Amendment, or is that ONLY reserved for atheists and evolutionists to pursue the truth?

“ID was found to be just another name for creationism by a court of law headed by a church-going Republican.”

No, SCIENCE actually backs up “Creation” or “ID”. Must really make you angry ... .

“A textbook that they created before the SCOTUS ruling used creationism throughout. Shortly after the ruling, they changed it to Intelligent Design. Here is a short video showing the “smoking gun.” “

Since using the word “God” is so offensive to people like YOU, they tried to neutralize things by referring to God as an “Intelligent Designer”, hence the term, “ID”. Even that makes YOU paranoid.

“To Christian FReepers: Is it acceptable to break one of the ten commandments to try and promote religion? “

As a Christian, I am troubled that YOU have no respect or tolerance for another view founded on objective SCIENCE.

Perhaps YOU need to visit the “Ten Commandments” and stop the lying? Christians are speaking the truth about Creation. The truth is that the MAJORITY of people, don't beleive in eolution so I suppose this bothers you all the more. There is NO case for evolution.

2 posted on 07/11/2008 7:31:49 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: nmh
No, SCIENCE actually backs up “Creation” or “ID”.

You perhaps have some evidence to back up this statement?

3 posted on 07/11/2008 7:41:33 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: nmh

“There is NO case for evolution.” ~ nmh

Of course we must all be on the same page with our terms before any valid debate can occur, to wit:

“Which theory of evolution are you talking about? “...What is the significance of such a theory? To address this question is to enter the field of epistemology.

A theory is a metascientific elaboration distinct from the results of observation, but consistent with them.

By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation.

A theory’s validity depends on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.

Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.

And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we should speak of several theories of evolution.

On the one hand, this plurality has to do with the different explanations advanced for the mechanism of evolution, and on the other, with the various philosophies on which it is based.

Hence the existence of materialist, reductionist, and spiritualist interpretations.

What is to be decided here is the true role of philosophy and, beyond it, of theology.

Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider _the spirit_ as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person. ...”

Excerpted from:
Theories of Evolution
John Paul II
Copyright (c) 1997 First Things 71 (March 1997): 28-29. Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, October 22, 1996

And no, I’m not RCC, Baptist, nor any so-called “fun


4 posted on 07/11/2008 7:46:44 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase-2 Operation Chaos Roadster that burns both gas AND rubber!)
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To: nmh
Obviously YOU deny God, in calling those that believe in Him, “liars”

No, I call people who lie liars. The Discovery institute was busted in a court of law for bearing false witness when they claimed that ID wasn't just another name for creationism They lied in order to break the law. There are many believers who consider lying a sin. Do you?

5 posted on 07/11/2008 8:15:35 AM PDT by Soliton (Investigate, study, learn, then express an opinion)
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To: nmh
God warned that the Devil can and will always disguise himself very cleverly. You are being duped by the devil, who is getting Christians to lie to themselves and others, to deny worldly, physical, material truths (evidence for evolution) because of pride which they mistake for righteousness.

I UNDERSTAND the basics of evolutionary science and am in awe of God's wonderful works. Evolution is a miraculous thing, and to me it's so clear ... it IS intelligent design on many levels, physical and spiritual. Evolution sends a clear message that we must adapt to God's laws or perish.

YOU, on the other hand, presume to name me an atheist because some poor, pitiful atheist scientists have used the reality of evolution as an argument that God doesnt' exist -- really it is EXACTLY like the guy who says cavities prove God doesn't exist because if He really loved us, why would he give us teeth that rot?

Soliton has it right: you guys are Liars for God, you do it out of pride, and YOU are the ones being conned by the devil in disguise. God is truth and God is love. If evolution is truth -- and there's every indication that it is -- then it IS GOD. You are shallow, emotional, and uninformed enough to think that "survival of the fittest" means "lack mercy and compassion promotes survival," which goes against God. But that is in truth NOT what evolution is about; evolution says that adaptability equals survival. We humans must ADAPT to God's laws or we perish, just as all of God's creatures, for the past 4.5 billion hears, have either adapted to changing environments or perished.

God's steady and wise hand is very visible in evolution. Your pride and unwitting league with the Creationist devil, who has made you comfortable with falsehood, blinds you to it. Wake up and stop serving the real devil.

7 posted on 07/11/2008 8:24:00 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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Undeniable truth of life # 23. Evolution cannot explain Creation. — Rush Limbaugh (1980’s)

“...evolution does take place, but it doesn’t explain Creation. Obviously, it can’t ..” Rush Limbaugh Facts, Science Smash the Global Warming Myth February 28, 2007

“No science is ever frightening to Christians. Religious people don’t need the science to come out any particular way on IQ or AIDS or sex differences any more than they need the science to come out any particular way on evolution...If evolution is true, then God created evolution. ... Although God-believers don’t need evolution to be false, athiests need evolution to be true. “. — Ann Coulter (from her 2006 book, “Godless”)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1646185/posts?page=31#31

EVOLUTION WATCH
Limbaugh got it wrong, says intelligent designer
Radio host wants theory’s pushers to ‘call it what it is’ – creationism
Posted: December 24, 2005 5:00 p.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48062


10 posted on 07/11/2008 8:30:25 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Driving a Phase-2 Operation Chaos Roadster that burns both gas AND rubber!)
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