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To: Citizen Blade
If you believe that education can be taught from something other than a godless or God-centered worldview, then please describe to us how it can.( wintertime)

Citizen Blade

Your post seems to express a sincere question so I will very respectfully answer your questions.

This statement puzzles me.

Having once rejected religion and having once adopted a godless worldview, yes, I do understand that this statement would confuse you.

Very little in education involves the mention of a supreme being- how do you make math God-centred or atheistic?

In my homeschool I reminded my children that mathematics is evidence of a rational God. I also reminded them that there is likely more math ( and more evidence of God's rationality) to be discovered. Also, I reminded them that our religion teaches that we are expected to seek out and discover this knowledge.

What about English?

Except for the genre of man overcomes nature, almost all literature involves the keeping or breaking of the Ten Commandments. Much of the world's poetry is an expression of gratitude for the beauty of God's earth, or the love that we have for each other. Love is another gift from God.

Chemistry?

Physics and chemistry, and all laws involved, are evidence of a rational God, and I reminded my children of this frequently in our study of these subjects.

Your statement makes as much sense as claiming that it is impossible to make ice cream in a religiously neutral manner.

The making of ice cream is a demonstration of the laws of physics and chemistry and therefore is evidence of a rational God.

I suppose you can try to shoehorn the topic of religion into any subject, but that just seems like a waste of time.

It is a commandment that we speak of God in all things to our children. Please read Deut6: 6-9.

I don't remember the topic of religion coming up one way or the other- our teachers were too busy trying to teach us trig, or understanding Shakespeare, or making us memorize the the periodic table of elements.

If your educational setting was a godless Secular one then it would not come up. My husband and I were educated in Catholic schools. Not one student in the class had any doubt that the teacher believed that all things were created by God, and that these subjects were are reflection of God's order.

Also,...It is impossible to fully discuss and understand Shakespeare without discussing God, the devil, evil, good, the Commandments, fallen man, and sin etc. Having a thorough and complete understanding of Christianity is essential to understanding Shakespeare, even if the student or teacher does not subscribe to the religion of Christianity. Christian belief was the very grain of the fabric of Shakespeare's culture.

There are parochial schools that incorporate religious teachings into the subject-matter.

Yes, I agree they do.

But most parents don't have any real interest in that- they would prefer to be the ones to teach religion, while using the schools as a place for their kids to focus on non-religious subjects.

The First Amendment does not apply to most or some of the people. It applies to **all** of the people (especially the minority).

It is **not** religiously neutral to force children into godless Secular schools and scrub God from the curriculum. It teaches them that God is irrelevant to their lives. At a minimum it teaches them that God is irrelevant to their education. This is **not** religiously neutral!

Government schools promote a godless religious worldview. They never were, are not now, and never can be religiously neutral. It is impossible.

Government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination! The solution to the thousands of utterly irresolvable philosophical conflicts is to privatize universal K-12 education.

157 posted on 07/11/2008 4:48:37 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
It is **not** religiously neutral to force children into godless Secular schools and scrub God from the curriculum. It teaches them that God is irrelevant to their lives. At a minimum it teaches them that God is irrelevant to their education. This is **not** religiously neutral!

Ah, I see where you are coming from. Your view seems to be that unless the glory of God is mentioned in every single subject in school (even phys ed anbd shop class?) at all times, the school is "godless."

Is my desk godless because the Lord's Prayer isn't inscribed on its surface? Is McDonald's godless because the employees don't say grace before giving you your Big Mac? Is my financial advisor godless because he talks about my stock portfolio when I call him, rather than the Semon on the Mount?

Or could it be that teachers want to teach math and biology and spelling without getting bogged down in religious arguments?

The First Amendment does not apply to most or some of the people. It applies to **all** of the people (especially the minority).

A school not teaching relgion to its students isn't a violation of the students' 1st Amendment rights. The government is not required to talk about religions, it's only required not to impinge on your right to believe as you see fit. You seem to believe that the 1st Amendment gives you the right to demand that other people talk about your religion. That's certainly a... novel.... view of the 1st Amendment.

Government schools promote a godless religious worldview. They never were, are not now, and never can be religiously neutral. It is impossible.

Nonsense. If public schools don't talk about religion, that is the essence of religious neutrality. Secular schools should not take a position, one way or the other, on the existence of any deities.

The solution to the thousands of utterly irresolvable philosophical conflicts is to privatize universal K-12 education.

This has very, very little appeal to Americans. I assume you are aware of that.

235 posted on 07/14/2008 7:31:58 AM PDT by Citizen Blade
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