Kos’s Obama Birth Certificate Fake? [Hawaii Says It Did not Use "African" on Certs]

MacRanger Radio Show ^ | 6/12/08 | MacRanger

[freespirited]

 

Kos is gloating over producing Barack Obama’s birth certificate.  First, generally vital statistical records are not available to anyone except the subject of the record unless they have signed a release (I’m checking Hawaii’s laws).   Perhaps the “Light Being” gave him a copy, who knows.  But the interesting thing about this certificate is the description for race on Obama’s father, it lists him as “African”.   In 1961 all Live Birth certificates contained the word “Black”, which is a race, not African.  

Not that it can’t be real, and I really don’t care, but hey, this is “Screw ‘em” Kos.   Take a look.

Per lgf:

“This is NOT a birth certificate, it’s a “certification of live birth” — a slightly different thing.

And yes, the campaign did give it to Moulitsas for posting; he says so in the comments.”

But I checked with the vital statistics registrar in Hawaii and the “African” nomenclature is incorrect.  In 1961 it would have been “black” or even, “negro”.

Other abnormalities noted by Suitability Flip.

Based on this, as far as I’m concerned the jury’s still out.

 

[muawiyah]

Nonsense. When Obama was born he was completely stark nekkid. Besides, his mother Stanley was a well known Atheist.

[muawiyah]

Your polite, liberal society clearly used the expression "Nigra" as I distinctly recalled. Being a Yankee sort of guy it stood out in my mind.

Hard to believe Souvrnrs thought they could fool people.

[surely_you_jest]

My post wasn’t as precisely worded, or punctuated, as it might have been. I meant polite, as well as liberal, society. And I was referring to the written form of the word. You are referring to the spoken form in the Northern part of the state, where they spoke “Southern”. I grew up in Miami, which in those days was, essentially, New York with palm trees.

[ncpatriot]

I grew up in a small, southern college town in the fifties-early sixties - we used "colored".

I was surprised when I saw "B" on the 1910 NC census.

[Signalman]

“Colored” was used in the South and the midwest. Where I grew up in Jersey, it was “Negro”. We’re talking the 1950s here.

[fogofbobegabay]

Mine from 1958 in Calif. is black and white with my foot print on the back. This is just a modern certification of what the original is supposed to state.

[norton]

Revision date on the form is November 2001.

It's a transcription,
Therefore, error or intentional change can't be ruled out.

[Cicero]

“Black power” was a deliberate appropriation of a formerly offensive word. Probably it sounded stronger.

It’s not unprecedented. For instance, the Quakers were named so derisively, by people making fun of them for going in fear and trembling of the Lord, but they took it as an acceptable name for themselves. And there are similar instances of insults being adopted and converted by those insulted.

The rules can be complicated—for instance, blacks currently can use the “n” word, but white people can’t. There has seldom been a time when people have been more conscious of the political meaning of words and word manipulation.

[muawiyah]

I’ve heard other words that were in use in Mami.

[PapaBear3625]

Well, the Hawaiian law stiplulates that: …If only one parent was a U.S. Citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least FIVE of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Per findlaw.com, the law you are referring to is federal law, and applies ONLY to children born OUTSIDE the United States

If he was born in Hawaii, then he's a natural born US citizen regardless of the citizenship of his parents

This would only be relevant if he was actually born outside the US (as has been suspected by some, but no evidence has been shown to support that)

[muawiyah]

In many original compilations of census forms from the 1800s you find the term “not white” or “non white” which means whatever you want it to mean.

[PapaBear3625]

However, if some clerk who was filling out the birth certificate asked Obama’s mother where the father was from and she replied “Africa”, it’s possible this is what was written down.

Seems more likely that she would have replied Kenyan, and the clerk would have written that down as an indication that the father was a foreign national

[Lancey Howard]

Many of us on FR doubted it was real. Too many told us to shut up about it.

Yep. Sounds exactly like the Larry Sinclair story.

[gusopol3]

very true, even in Acts, “Christian” is first used in Antioch by those outside the faith. But, unless I’m mistaken the old Sunday School song, later picked up by some ‘60’s balladeer ( I can hear him singing but can’t remember who he is) , “Jesus loves the little children...red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in his sight,” predates the 60’s.

[usmcobra]

I want you to read this page from the Hawaii Department of Health Vital records site....

Vital records (birth, death, marriage, and divorce certificates) on file with the Department of Health may be amended (i.e., changes, corrections, additions, deletions, or substitutions) upon submission of the required documentation.

Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amendment?

Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.

• Who is eligible to apply and how to apply for an amended certificate of birth?

Late registration, registration one year or more after the date of the event’s occurrence, of certificates are permitted subject to evidentiary requirements.

In other words the state of Hawaii is perfectly willing to issue amended Birth Certificates to persons born in another country.

[Brilliant]

Why doesn’t the State of Hawaii just tell us it’s a fake?

[Political Junkie Too]

I can understand not wanting to release vital statistics about a person, but it must be in Hawaii's own interest to expose a forgery being passed around as an authentic Hawaiian document.

-PJ

[Political Junkie Too]

To further my thought, Hawaii should owe no obligation to a person named on a forged document. It is Hawaii's responsibility as a government to expose a fraud done in their name.

-PJ

[surely_you_jest]

I’ve heard other words that were in use in Mami.

I didn't. Perhaps I led a protected life.

[muawiyah]

No doubt very protected.