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Very interesting article. It is amazing to me how society is so closely tied to marriage between a man and a woman.
1 posted on 06/20/2008 5:34:06 AM PDT by samiam1972
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2 posted on 06/20/2008 5:34:47 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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3 posted on 06/20/2008 5:38:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: samiam1972

Depends on what the SCOTUS decides on Monday.


4 posted on 06/20/2008 5:40:45 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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..... the rest of the article.


Our thinking about human sexuality was transformed in the late 1940’s and early 1950’s by Alfred Kinsey, using false and  fraudulent statistics — including the 10% myth concerning the number of homosexuals in the population.  His work was based largely on the deviant sexual practices  reported by those in prison.  His flawed conclusions were not surprising since 86% of  convicted child molesters against males describe themselves as being either homosexual or bisexual.  A young college student at the time, Hugh Hefner, was influenced by Kinsey’s work and started what was to become the Playboy empire which in turn helped launch the sexual revolution of the 1960’s.

The U.S. Supreme Court decision in Griswold  in 1965 (which found a new constituitional “right to privacy” for contraception) was the next big judicial construct.  This in turn helped fuel the feminist revolution of the 1970’s since women were no longer “chained to their homes” by babies to raise.  But, since contraception does not always work, the U.S. Supreme Court had to find a new application for the constitutional right to privacy, which it did in Roe v. Wade in 1973.  This travesty of a judicial decision allowed for abortion on-demand.  With the new influx of contracepting and “liberated” women in the workplace, having more extramarital affairs than ever, it was of course necessary to adopt liberal No-Fault Divorce laws.  In this way, the cheating spouses could easily get out of their lifelong marital commitments with little or no legal penalty or social stigma.

This in turn created the situation where there were far more little boys growing up with no strong male role models at home and far more little girls being raised with no father or by step-fathers more likely to sexually abuse them (e.g. Ellen DeGeneres).  In either event, we increased the number of male and female homosexuals by enhancing the risk factors for developmental gender confusion and the psycho-social deficits which eventually lead to the same-sex attraction.  Hence, the need for yet another constitutional right to privacy to be announced by the U.S. Supreme Court in the horrific Lawrence decision in 2003 — this time for homosexual sodomy.  Thus, what started with the uncoupling of sexuality and procreation in the Griswold  (contraception) case has now reached its unnatural conclusion with the legalization and normalization of  homosexual sodomy in the Lawrence case.  After all, if sex is only about adult emotional attachments, and not procreation, then why not homosexuality?

Of course, the downward slide of our society has been greatly accelerated by the explosion of pornography on the Internet which has weakened the natural romantic attraction between young people and replaced it with unbridled selfish sexual gratification.  This has further lessened the natural resistance and even revulsion to various sexual perversions.  Indeed, just this past week we have witnessed the sitting Chief Appellate Justice of the largest federal judicial district in the nation, posting disgusting sexual images on his website (involving people and animals) while presiding over a pornography trial involving beastiality and extreme fetishes.  Where does all of this lead us — to same-sex “marriage,” of course.  And how much time do we have left by Unwin’s standards — I would say that we are at least at the end of the second generation of deterioration, if not already well into the final third generation before the collapse.

Can we stop this societal suicide — possibly, but not if we can’t stop same-sex “marriage” in California in November 2008, and not without supernatural help.  Without the foundation of Religion and Morality that George Washingoton and the other founding fathers provided for us, there is simply no real hope for the future of this country.

Finally, since it is only in our maleness and femaleness that we are made in the image and likeness of God, the destruction of the concept of gender is perhaps Satan’s greatest accomplishment.  Moreover, since the sacramental marriage of a husband and wife is used to image the relationship of Christ and His Church, even the idea of same-sex ”marriage” is a sacrilege. Therefore, separate and apart from the seemingly accurate prognastications of Professor Unwin, I just don’t see how a God of Justice can tolerate such a diabolical mockery of His divinely ordained instituion of marriage for very long.  Indeed, the same man to whom our Lord entrusted the Keys to the Kingdom warned us that:  “…in the last days there shall come deceitful scoffers, walking after their own lusts… ” (2 Peter 3:3).  In conclusion, I informed my friend that although we have had the privilege of living in the greatest nation in the history of the world, based on the foregoing, we may very well be seeing it in its waning years.  May the God of our fathers have mercy on us and our beloved country.


One need only look to the past to see how the former great superpowers met their demise. Licentiousness was rampant towards the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Excellent article! Bookmarking.

5 posted on 06/20/2008 5:43:41 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: samiam1972

Good article.


7 posted on 06/20/2008 5:56:16 AM PDT by Varda (the Philosopher and the Theologian view Creatures from Different Standpoints- Aquinas)
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To: Religion Moderator; Admin Moderator

I think I may have posted this article in the wrong spot. I believe it should have been in News/Activism or possibly the Religion Forum. Could you please move it to a more appropriate place? I’ll try to do better next time!

Thank you so much!


9 posted on 06/20/2008 6:02:25 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: samiam1972

ery good and important post!


10 posted on 06/20/2008 6:02:58 AM PDT by True Republican Patriot (God Bless America and The Republicans)
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Bookmarked.


24 posted on 06/20/2008 7:17:40 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: samiam1972
The article is definitely interesting, and it's hard--maybe impossible--to refute LiMandri's allegations.

Western Civilization certainly seems to be in decline.

Many years ago, I suggested to my father's highly intelligent (and highly successful--and rich) brother that the United States could one day go the way of the Roman Republic. He said that he had often thought that that could well occur. This was before most of the events LiMandri cites took place.

This uncle, incidentally, was a staunch Republican--did NOT like Franklin Roosevelt. He was also open minded and liberal (in the true sense of the word; he admired Barry Goldwater). I once mentioned to him some evidence that talking to plants induced them to flourish. He replied: "I have always talked to mine." (His definitely flourished.) (Everything he did flourished.)

It seems to me that civilizations bloom and decline. This is nothing new. William Faulkner retold this familiar tale magnificently in Absalom! Absalom!.

It's hard to know whether each increment LiMandri mentions in America's descent from the Normandy Invasion to same sex marriage was the cause or the result of decadence.

It may be like periodic earthquakes occurring as techtonic plates sliding against each other incrementally experience tension, break, and release.

I have observed many times that the Left is decadence.

Certainly the decadence is to be opposed and resisted. But I'm not sure it can be stopped.

It seems to me that there are many parallels between America today and Rome at the inception of its Imperial phase, and that's cause for depression. The Left offers us bread, in the form of welfare and social programs, and circuses, in the form of increasingly licentious movies and TV, ubiquitous pornography, obscene popular music, etc., as Leftist leaders and elites amass enormous wealth and privileges for themselves. They pass draconian laws to which they exempt themselves. They claim to do it all for the public good--i.e. for the masses--but the bottom line is that they aggrandize themselves as a ruling aristocracy while anaesthetizing the peasantry (that's you and me) with bread and circuses.

I can't help wondering when someone or some court will come up with an excuse to overcome any objections to snuff films, battles to the death, or torture for public amusement. We can be happy that we're not there now. Maybe we never will be. But, considering the public outrage that would have occurred in the recent past to TV programs and movies that are routinely shown today--in fact to language used on the radio by Rush Limbaugh--one can't help wondering if the public outrage that a snuff film would cause today may not exist in future generations and thus it could become commonplace.

Will we reach the point, as Imperial Rome did, at which the wife of our supeme leader will hold a contest with a notorious prostitute to see which can service the most men in a night? Will the U.S. Congress become so insignifant that an Emperor will make his horse or dog a Senator--as occurred in Rome? Will a U.S. Emperor turn Congress into a brothel and force the wives and daughters of Congressmen to work there--as occurred in Imperial Rome? And will America degenerate to the point that such things are tolerated by the anaesthetized public--or even that they cause public amusement.

There is another way of looking at it all though.

It's true that sexual mores have declined, but sensitivity to other people and to animals has increased, and this is an improvement.

My wife says that, as a woman, she doesn't view the past with nostalgia. She adds that Black People probably don't either.

I was raised in a sexually repressed, puritannical family, and I certainly benefitted from more relaxed sexual attitudes.

I know one thing though: Decadent Imperial Rome was unopposed as a world power, but the U.S.A. and Europe are not. Islam is not decadent. Neither is China--and if anybody understands the cycles of ascension and decadence, it's the Chinese. India also seems to be in ascendancy. And many people--who refuse to be anaesthetized by bread and circuses will look elsewhere for ascendancy and lives free from decadence. This may be Islam's most important promise. The decadents who are encouraging and enjoy Western Civilization's downward slide will find themselves in very uncomfortable positions if decadent Western Civilization is replaced with something more ascendant while they're still around.

27 posted on 06/20/2008 7:33:30 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Vote Republican = Vote NO to the Radical Left!)
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To: samiam1972

If traditional marriage becomes anathema to our society - the uniting of a man and woman (opposites) in mutual love and trust - then there is even less reason for man to love and trust his neighbor. i.e., without marriage as an insitution and foundation of the family, there is not other outcome in society but every man for himself (disorder and perversion).

When will this happen? eh... it’s like boiling a frog. It’s been happening since the laxity of Western Civilization towards contraception...then abortion...then divorce...then co-habitation...then homosexual lifestyles...homosexual adoptions...and now homosexual marriages... next step is acceptance of polygamy...and then acceptance of pederasty...bestiality...whatever.

Do you see the progression? And it’s all been brewing for decades. Acceptance of homosexual marriage is, however, a crossing of the Rubicon, in that the definition of “what is marriage?” becomes an open-ended, unsolvable debate. If marriage is based simply on the exchange of affection, then certainly there is no reason to limit it to two partners, nor to limit it to human partners... or even sentient partners. Robots are already being programmed to display “affection”, and some have predicted that robots will be able to replicate sexual intercourse with a human counterpart.

If you want to take it further, by eliminating the true definition of marriage, society discredits and devalues Jesus’ marriage to His bride, the Church. If monogamous, heterosexual marriage becomes un-unique, then the whole concept of “Church” - in any respect of God communing with souls, not just Catholic - becomes, from the broader perspective of society, not only less relevant, but a hostile entity to the new moral code - an entity that society will decide must be put down once and for all if it is to progress (down) to the next level of moral disintegration. I’m speaking of persecuting Judeo-Christian sects that will not marry homosexuals, and revocation of the special protection that the Church has enjoyed to date, from the forces of social engineering who seek to impose their will upon Her.

There can be no mistake: the coming scourge of homosexual marriage will be a heavy cross we will all need to carry in the faith and trust that Jesus will never abandon His Bride. We are called to walk as angels among men. If society chooses this path, we must become that much stronger in our faith, and promise to raise our children to know and love and serve the Lord. It’s right for us to sorrow and mourn for the growing mistakes of our secular-atheist society, but we will triumph when it counts the most, when Christ returns to judge all mankind, living and dead...


33 posted on 06/20/2008 8:48:52 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: samiam1972

Thanks for posting!


46 posted on 06/20/2008 10:38:41 AM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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Freeman Dyson claims,

Since the modern nation-state was invented around the year 1500, a succession of countries have taken turns at being top nation, first Spain, then France, Britain, America. Each turn lasted about 150 years. Ours began in 1920, so it should end about 2070. The reason why each top nation’s turn comes to an end is that the top nation becomes over-extended, militarily, economically and politically. Greater and greater efforts are required to maintain the number one position. Finally the over-extension becomes so extreme that the structure collapses. Already we can see in the American posture today some clear symptoms of over-extension. Who will be the next top nation? China is the obvious candidate. After that it might be India or Brazil. We should be asking ourselves, not how to live in an America-dominated world, but how to prepare for a world that is not America-dominated. That may be the most important problem for the next generation of Americans to solve. How does a people that thinks of itself as number one yield gracefully to become number two?

54 posted on 06/20/2008 2:07:13 PM PDT by onedoug
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Isaiah 24

1 Behold the Lord shall lay waste the earth, and shall strip it, and shall afflict the face thereof, and scatter abroad the inhabitants thereof.

2 And it shall be as with the people, so with the priest: and as with the servant so with his master: as with the handmaid, so with her mistress: as with the buyer, so with the seller: as with the lender, so with the borrower: as with him that calleth for his money, so with him thatoweth.

3 With desolation shall the earth be laid waste, and it shall be utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.

4 The earth mourned, and faded away, and is weakened: the world faded away, the height of the people of the earth is weakened.

5 And the earth is infected by the inhabitants thereof: because they have transgressed the laws, they have changed the ordinance, they have broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore shall a curse devour the earth, and the inhabitants thereof shall sin: and therefore they that dwell therein shall be mad, and few men shall be left.

7 The vintage hath mourned, the vine hath languished away, all the merry have sighed.

8 The mirth of timbrels hath ceased, the noise of them that rejoice is ended, the melody of the harp is silent.

9 They shall not drink wine with a song: the drink shall be bitter to them that drink it.

10 The city of vanity is broken down, every house is shut up, no man cometh in.

11 There shall be a crying for wine in the streets: all mirth is forsaken: the joy of the earth is gone away.

12 Desolation is left in the city, and calamity shall oppress the gates. 13 For it shall be thus in the midst of the earth, in the midst of the people, as if a few olives, that remain, should be shaken out of the olive tree: or grapes, when the vintage is ended.

Sound at all familiar to our situation?

60 posted on 06/20/2008 7:04:07 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: samiam1972

Not much. Worst case April 21, 2011, best case December 21, 2012.


68 posted on 06/21/2008 5:39:47 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Will this thread be jacked by a Mormon?)
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To: samiam1972
Interesting article.

I don't think we have much time left at all. As the article states, our society is breaking down.

When the germanic tribes over ran the Western Roman empire, many citizens were happy about it. Taxes were lower, order was better, and in general they felt no loyalty to the Roman state.

When Islam devoured the Eastern Empire, for many it was the same. The common people were released from most taxes, and the new masters were not as cruel as the old. Again, most felt no loyalty to the Empire.

Now look at the US today. Look out the Democrat candidate.

We are Rome, and are waiting for either the first Emperor or the last breaking. Either way, the Republic is dead.

70 posted on 06/21/2008 5:49:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: samiam1972

bookmark for later


88 posted on 06/24/2008 10:50:52 AM PDT by nanetteclaret ("I will sing praise to my God while I have my being." Psalm 104:33b)
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