Hints of 'time before Big Bang'

BBC ^ | 6-6-08 | Chris Lintott

[KarlInOhio]

Seems to me life is exempt from the Second Law. In order to have an egg to break some animal had to organize random elements into an organized structure of the egg.

The chicken and egg aren't a closed system unto themselves. Life is able to make things more organized locally only because of the energy supplied by the sun, which is increasing in entropy.

[Gondring]

It’s almost easier to grasp a place before time and space then it is to imagine what’s it must be like inside the heads of guys that think this stuff up.

And even worse is trying to get inside the heads of the ladies! ;-)

Adrienne L. Erickcek, principal author (a few years back)

[Gondring]

I was thinking “Ya gotta break some eggs to make a universe!” ;-)

[DManA]

Guys is non-gender specific.

[DManA]

Well, at least life flaunts the SPIRIT of the law. ggg

[DManA]

How about this? Gravity acts on random matter and organizes it into bodies with very complicated structure. Isn’t a planetary system that evolves out of a nebula an example of reversing entropy?

[theDentist]

Ah, Surface Tension. That's what I was trying to think of.

My analogy is: The universe can be like that droplet of water in space. It expands in all directions, but if we could somehow go to the very border of the universe, a wall of universe, so to speak.... that wall may have a surface tension. And like the droplet, it reaches a certain diameter depending on it's volume, but retains the shape until that tension is broken. Anyhow within that droplet are millions of atomes, interacting with one another, repelling from one another, just like stars and galaxies, but all subject to that surface tension.

But that could be the vicadin talking....

[DManA]

Maybe you’ve got a Nitrous-oxyde leak?

That stuff never worked on me.

[tumblindice]

Interesting. I’m no scientist, but I know if you carefully over-fill a tumbler with water the surface of the water will actually be slightly higher then the rim of the container, and `crowned’ due to surface tension.
Add more water and eventually the tension is overcome (`explodes’, if you will) and water flows down the side of the glass.
In your analogy, if the `container’ is a certain volume of space with no need to contain the contents due to near absence of gravity—you can grab a handful of water—then I suppose you look to determine what is being added to the contents of the `bubble’ to cause the tension to fail and the bubble to burst.

[Quix]

Thanks.

I’ve always believed in time before the Big Bang.

[RightWhale]

Yeah, but I don’t post science threads anymore.

[RightWhale]

Yeah, but I don’t post science threads anymore.

[LeGrande]

Thanks for the ping, this is interesting stuff : )

[antiRepublicrat]

May I suggest a story? The Last Question (whole short story at link) by Isaac Asimov. Interesting twist on the whole universe end and creation thing.

[LeGrande]

Yeah, but I don’t post science threads anymore.

You should :) and put me on your ping list.

[RightWhale]

I might suggest http://arxiv.org/archive/ and go for the real deal.

[PugetSoundSoldier]

OK, so you told us who you believe did it; now how did He do it?

Different question being asked here...

[Michael Barnes]

Thanks, I’ll give it a read..

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Quix!

alas, already posted:

Hints of ‘time before Big Bang’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7440217.stm
Posted on 06/06/2008 12:52:23 PM PDT by chessplayer
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2027262/posts

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[SunkenCiv]