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Bankruptcy Reform Act Finally Blows Sky High
Blog - Global Economic Trends ^ | 5/29/08 | Mish Shedlock

Posted on 05/30/2008 1:13:58 PM PDT by nicola_tesla

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To: EGPWS

Say a guy burns his house down because he threw a lit match into the trash.

You tell him “should have made sure the match was out.”

That doesn’t “unburn” his house, nor does it rebuild it. He already know what he did wrong.


21 posted on 05/30/2008 2:13:14 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: RockinRight
"That doesn’t “unburn” his house, nor does it rebuild it. He already know what he did wrong."

At best your statement is assumption. Some people just have no clue about financial matters and need the lesson repeated over and over.

I've seen people refinance over and over to payoff mounting debt and disregard anyone saying "Dewd, your doing it wrong! You need to do this, this and this instead."

22 posted on 05/30/2008 2:21:40 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: Mad Dawgg

Either way, even telling them that doesn’t fix the situation at hand. “Dewd, your doing it wrong! You need to do this, this and this instead.” is different than “you shoulda done this” and is a reasonable thing to say.


23 posted on 05/30/2008 2:24:53 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: RockinRight
Say a guy burns his house down because he threw a lit match into the trash.

You tell him “should have made sure the match was out.”

That doesn’t “unburn” his house, nor does it rebuild it. He already know what he did wrong.

No it doesn't, "unburn" it however his individual distribution of wealth via "insurance" by having personally bought via forethought, will maintain his comfort in coping with his demise.

PSSST, guess what, insurance is bought and paid for only by the one who needed it. ; )

24 posted on 05/30/2008 2:27:25 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS

Yes. And someone telling him the obvious statement of “shoulda made sure the fire was out” is a non-factor in that entire equation, and, if anything, just makes the person saying it look like an ass to the other person.

:)


25 posted on 05/30/2008 2:29:21 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: EGPWS
PSSST, guess what, insurance is bought and paid for only by the one who needed it. ; )

Yes...and insurance CLAIMS are paid for by all policyholders...

26 posted on 05/30/2008 2:30:16 PM PDT by RockinRight (Supreme Court Justice Fred Thompson. The next best place for Fred.)
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To: nicola_tesla
I have a good friend going thru a chapter 13 bankruptcy right now - price of diesel killed his business (trucking). Not much income, but he can’t sell his house either to get at the equity he has left, so he has to file a 13 to protect the equity he does have.

I thought most of the "reforms" affected individuals not corps?

27 posted on 05/30/2008 2:35:41 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: RockinRight
Yes...and insurance CLAIMS are paid for by all policyholders...

Insurance is there and lucrative as a way of life which one pays for.

Apparently fraud is as much of life as insurance is anymore and policy holders are uneasy with via rising costs of peace of mind.

28 posted on 05/30/2008 2:36:32 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: EGPWS
We're in financial trouble right now thanks to my cancer and an insurance company that fought every single payment.

And that, my dear folks, is why the democrats are going to win this year. Healthcare is a sleeper right now, but it's going to play a much larger role in this election than we think it will.

Stuck between a rock and a hard place - cancer and bankruptcy. :(

29 posted on 05/30/2008 2:37:38 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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To: RockinRight
The law in effect now came at the same time banks started giving away loans to people that couldn’t pay them back...it seems odd that happened at the same time and now people really have no recourse. If someone can’t pay, THEY CAN’T PAY. You can’t “make” the money appear to pay a bill simply by strongarming someone who has a family to feed and take care of.

Nothing coincidental about it. The banks, once they got their reforms, knew that either you pay or they get the property. It was a no lose situation for them.

Now, no only do they get the property but they get federal funds to keep them afloat.

Bush couldn't wait to sign this. Makes me wonder if he's EVER had to work for a living?

30 posted on 05/30/2008 2:39:07 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: RockinRight
"Either way, even telling them that doesn’t fix the situation at hand. “Dewd, your doing it wrong! You need to do this, this and this instead.” is different than “you shoulda done this” and is a reasonable thing to say."

The problem is alot of these folks don't think they are doing it wrong because its on a TV commercial and so easy to do. Just call: 1-800-you'llbeindebtforever operators are standing by!

So when do you tell them such? Apparently they have no clue they are doing it wrong. I mean they are happy about getting that new loan from InDebtForeverTree.com.

31 posted on 05/30/2008 2:41:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: RegulatorCountry

They would if there were any equity, which in this market is unlikely.


32 posted on 05/30/2008 2:41:59 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: Texas_shutterbug

What insurance company? So I know never to use them. You can Private mail me if you like.


33 posted on 05/30/2008 2:43:11 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: RockinRight

Exactly. Others assume that anyone who owns a small business can get business credit. Often these people have to use their personal credit, which can then cause the individual problems if the business goes under.


34 posted on 05/30/2008 2:44:25 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: raybbr

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Corportations should play by the same rules.


35 posted on 05/30/2008 2:45:16 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: CowboyJay

You obviously don’t remember the 70s. A “normal” long-term mortgage rate was anywhere from 11% to 19% before Volcker finally relented and started dropping FFR.

My first mortgage was a 12.something percent.


36 posted on 05/30/2008 2:46:33 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: raybbr
I thought most of the "reforms" affected individuals not corps?

Many small business owners have had to put their own credit on the line, in order to secure credit for their businesses. If the business defaults, the finance company goes after the personal. I know that defeats the whole purpose of the "corporate veil," but it's reality these days. I know GMAC asked me for my personal credit info, the last time I purchased a company vehicle.

37 posted on 05/30/2008 2:51:34 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: EGPWS

Born with a silver foot in your mouth ? If I had to describe you the word “prig” comes to mind as the first adjective.


38 posted on 05/30/2008 2:51:34 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
Stuck between a rock and a hard place - cancer and bankruptcy. :(

Best wishes my FRiend for a full recovery.

In '00 I died, was place on a bed of ice to bring my body temp down to 65 degree's, had my heart removed, hooked up to an artificial heart for 8 hours while my heart was repaired and then rejoined to my body and when I SURVIVED, about 6 months later I'm as healthy as can be!

Life in the USA as a free nation is good and well appreciated. I "ain't" in financial bankruptcy because of it however.

Mindfully prepared for the worst...perhaps a bit.

The Thoracic surgeon alone was $130,000 for 6-8 hours of work.

Am I complaining about the cost of saving my life?

He!! no!

39 posted on 05/30/2008 2:52:49 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Orange1998
I'd rather not say for the moment, but I will pm you when I get the chance, but don't think my situation is unique. I sat in waiting rooms with other folks going through similar situations.

You wouldn't believe the number of ways an insurance company can deny claims. I could write a book. And every time you get a treatment or anything remotely significant, you sign a paper saying that you are personally responsible for the bill, so when the insurance company balks, you not only have to worry about your cancer, you have to worry about your financial siuation, as well.

If Republicans don't do something, we're going to get government health care. People are fed up. I am.

We've been paying into group healthcare for almost two decades, but when I needed it, I had to fight for every single claim. And since our group policy is with a fairly small company, the entire company has had their premiums go up substantially.

So, now, I worry about my husband losing his job because we had the most claims on insurance last year. Thank God he's an excellent employee.

This is no way to live.

40 posted on 05/30/2008 2:53:24 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
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