Posted on 05/08/2008 9:12:10 AM PDT by steve-b
Hitler was to blame for Hitler’s crimes. Personally responsible.
Now, a gotcha:
WAS HITLER FITTER than those he trampled in the Holocaust? I contend that honest Existentialist Darwinists must maintain that reprehensible position. Atheist Aryans, you know.
Conversely, the Bible says we all are desperately wicked, without hope or good in us except through salvation by faith. Sinners, saved by Grace. Suffices for me.
Hitler PERVERTED Christianity, he carried the Darwin family's eugenics theories to their most logical conclusion.
You contend wrong.
So, do you contend that Hitler was less fit than those he exterminated?
Do you contend that he had some sort of right to ‘play God’ in the matter of life and death?
Do you contend that he did good by ‘culling’ the Human race? (shudder)
Do you contend that what he did was not (shudder) reprehensible?
Do you contend that he had some sort of right to ‘play God’ in the matter of life and death?
Do you contend that he did good by ‘culling’ the Human race? (shudder)
Do you contend that what he did was not (shudder) reprehensible?
No, you missed it.
I stated that you contend wrong.
This second post has not caused me to alter my opinion.
I understand your assertion that I contend wrongly.
Now, answer my questions, please.
WAS HITLER FITTER than those he trampled in the Holocaust? I contend that honest Existentialist Darwinists must maintain that reprehensible position. Atheist Aryans, you know.
Hitler lost the war and ended up permanently removed from the gene pool. How does that square with your "gotcha"?
Does that mean you think that blaming either the TOE or Christianity for Nazi atrocities is sophistry?
WAS HITLER FITTER than those he trampled in the Holocaust?
If by "fitter" you mean "more likely to survive", then I suppose he was "fitter" than his victims in Nazi Germany prior to 1945. If I walk unarmed in a high crime area, the local gang is "fitter" than me. Conversely, if a thug breaks into my home, chances are very good that I would be "fitter".
Now, if by "fitter" you mean he had more of a "moral right to survive", then my answer is "no".
Atheist Aryans, you know.
I think you are on shaky ground with that. Hitler publicly professed himself a Christian and declared that the Third Reich regarded Christianity as the foundation of the nation's morality. He also justified his racial policies as doing the will of the Eternal Creator.
Conversely, the Bible says we all are desperately wicked, without hope or good in us except through salvation by faith. Sinners, saved by Grace. Suffices for me.
Are Hitler's Jewish victims who kept their faith to the end doomed to Hell forever, as you understand NT Scripture?
Since you’ve taken the low road of both name-calling and personal attacks—forbidden here—I herewith ping a Moderator. I have the courage to do so publicly.
Now answer the questions, please.
Agree. He certainly wasn't the first. Legal Christianity in Europe had a longstanding history of perverting Christianity.
he carried the Darwin family's eugenics theories to their most logical conclusion.
He perverted that as well for his own ends, and cited religion as his justification.
Now answer the questions, please.
We have been advised to fight our own battles and not bother the moderators unnecessarily.
And no, I am not going to answer your "Do you still beat your wife?" questions.
For millenia humans have twisted and misconstrued God to suit their own agendas. Nero, Amenhotep, the Caesars, Hitler...there are no exceptions.
As re: your other questions, when in doubt about an interpretation of the truth, go back to the original source document. Lather, rinse and repeat.
And thus you try to sidestep my questions the answers to which you evidently fear.
Thanks for playing.
My two questions were as follows:
Does that mean you think that blaming either the TOE or Christianity for Nazi atrocities is sophistry?
Are Hitler's Jewish victims who kept their faith to the end doomed to Hell forever, as you understand NT Scripture?
You are the only authoritative source for the answers to those two simple yes/no questions. As you yourself have admonished, "Now answer the questions, please."
Ken, your questions have been noted and replied to once already, although not to your satisfaction.
I have offline projects that need my attention. I may come back online later and make further response on this thread, after Coyoteman answers my earlier questions.
Meanwhile, if you wish to state your own beliefs on the matter, as it appears you are eager to do eventually, by all means feel free to do so.
For now, au revoir.
I agree with you. As with any other science, evolutionary biology can provide no insight as to right and wrong.
I don’t believe I had a question on the subject.
You dodged them. As someone said earlier on this thread:
"And thus you try to sidestep my questions the answers to which you evidently fear."
Irrelevant — the original question was directed to belief systems, not to individual adherents.
The question answers itself.
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