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First Post - Serious Question Regarding the Bush Effect on the GOP

Posted on 05/06/2008 10:05:33 AM PDT by MGMSwordsman

Greetings Freepers! This is my first post and I want to say at the outset that this post is not a cheap shot at either President Bush or the GOP. I am just looking for opinions more than anything.

My question is, how much of a negative effect do you think the Bush administration has had on the current standing of the GOP in the minds of voters, and the resulting electability of GOP candidates? Is the current negative perception the fault of the administration, or does it have more to do with the mantra that the media has consistently spewed towards all things Bush related, or is it due in your opinion to a perceived do-nothing congress when the GOP had control?

Based on how you answer these questions, my second question is do you think it was even Bush at all that started the slide, or had the slide already started before Bush was elected in 2000? If so, do you think it started with Daddy Bush, or even earlier with Reagan?

I'll hang up and listen....


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To: jmc813

But how did we get Bush and the congressmen who signed off on these things?


41 posted on 05/06/2008 11:07:06 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: MeSpikeLibs
"This person wouldn’t know! This is a jack-ass Democrat trying to get conservatives to Bash Bush."

I sort of figured that but wanted to give the idiot the benefit of the doubt. At any rate, he lived up to being the stereotypical moronic liberal.

42 posted on 05/06/2008 11:07:30 AM PDT by avacado
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To: mnehrling
But how did we get Bush and the congressmen who signed off on these things?

Most voters are morons. There are over 300 million people living in this country. Out of all of them, the best we can do are nitwits like Clinton, Bush, Gore and Kerry?

43 posted on 05/06/2008 11:10:15 AM PDT by jmc813 (Eek!)
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To: MGMSwordsman

Hmmmm...

To zot, or not to zot, that is the question.


44 posted on 05/06/2008 11:17:26 AM PDT by Theresawithanh (..."I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case." - HRC)
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To: MGMSwordsman

“I’ll hang......”

Ok..


45 posted on 05/06/2008 11:18:14 AM PDT by Gator113 (Obama is a member of the Far Wright Conspiracy.......)
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To: MGMSwordsman
The problem was real or perceived big spending, communications, cronyism and incompetence.

There was plenty of blame to go around, and the Republicans deserved to lose in 2006. They only reason they didn't lose me is because as bad as the Republicans have been, the democrats are 1000 times worse.

46 posted on 05/06/2008 11:34:13 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in - Michael Corleone)
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To: MGMSwordsman
I'll be happy to provide some funding towards solving this groovy mystery.


47 posted on 05/06/2008 11:42:35 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: MGMSwordsman
President Bush has had a catastrophic effect on the GOP. His faults inevitably fall upon his party and do it grievous damage. Those faults include:

(1) In extemporaneous settings, Bush commonly lacks the ability to articulate a coherent line of thought in defense of his policies. This often leaves him seeming to be a dullard unable to cope with the demands of his office. Bush's weakness as a salesman extends to the virtues of his party and its philosophy.

(2) Bush has a tendency to clown around in public in ways that diminish his stature as President. Recall, for example, the butt bumps at the West Point graduation ceremony. Can you imagine any other President doing that?

(3) Bush's passive personality and dislike of confrontation has often left his administration mired in unresolved feuds and conflicts. this has had devastating consequences in Iraq and is contrary to the “energy in the executive” that is essential to the Presidency.

(4) Bush has a weak staff and a tendency toward cronyism and misplaced loyalty to faltering appointees. The inept and unqualified Gonzales as AG and Brown at FEMA are but two examples among many. Presidents do not have the luxury of treating their appointees and staff as their pals but must ruthlessly pitch them overboard as needed.

(5) Bush failed to check the excesses of the Republican Congress in spending and ethics issues. Bickering with Congress and vetoing bad things is part of the President's job, even when Congress is of his own party.

(6) Bush has an appalling attachment to bad policies like lax immigration and unrestrained domestic spending. I surmise that if a bad idea lodges in his head, he will pursue it to the point of self-destruction. Both policies were against public sentiment and his and his party's interests. And,

(7) Bush gives all appearances of being lazy as to his duties in office: more vacation days than any other President; sitting in Crawford as New Orleans was drowned and suffering a faltering rescue and recovery effort; and inert as the US Army was failing in Iraq. I wish that Bush had devoted himself to his duties as much as his exercise regimen.

In sum, Bush combines many of the faults of Warren Harding, Jimmy Carter, and James Buchanan (without the buggery).

Comments?

48 posted on 05/06/2008 11:43:51 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Red Badger

Time to break out the blue dresses!


49 posted on 05/06/2008 11:44:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: MGMSwordsman
Hmmmppphhh ... I'll answer your question in the same vein as you asked it ... with one of mine ...

Does your mother know you're a jerk?

50 posted on 05/06/2008 11:45:30 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: MGMSwordsman

Am I IBTZ?

The tone in your post makes it clear you are zot bait.


51 posted on 05/06/2008 11:46:35 AM PDT by CSM (Kakistocracy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.)
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To: cherry

I heard that the deal was that Reagan had to accept Bush as his running mate or the CFR would not back his candidacy. Implicit in this deal was the idea that the CFR was powerful enough to make or break Reagan. I’m not so sure. Do all the rich people keep their checkbooks shut just because the CFR tells them to?


52 posted on 05/06/2008 11:50:30 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: MGMSwordsman
Bush went his entire first term without vetoing anything. Then the Republicans nominated him for a second term. Therefore, Bush, and the Republican Party (except for Ron Paul) are a bunch of socialists who love big government.

This started before Bush was elected. For example:

http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-31-00.html

October 31, 2000

On My Mind: GOP Pussycats

by Edward H. Crane

The combined budgets of the 95 major programs that the Contract with America promised to eliminate have increased by 13%.

So this proof that the Republican Party (except for Ron Paul) is a group of socialists, who pretend they are not socialists. This started before Bush. The whole "Contract With America" was the biggest election fraud in the history of the U.S.

53 posted on 05/06/2008 11:52:12 AM PDT by grundle
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To: MGMSwordsman

Oh my, you’re still here.....amazing!


54 posted on 05/06/2008 11:53:48 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: Jewels1091

There are a lot of people who shouldn’t vote, but do anyhow, and that’s how we got the Three Stooges (HilLarry, Moebama, and McShemp).


55 posted on 05/06/2008 11:54:07 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (To the liberal, there's no sacrifice too big for somebody else to make. --FReeper popdonnelly)
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To: MGMSwordsman

Your answer lies in your question.


56 posted on 05/06/2008 11:56:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's still unclear what impact global warming will have on vertical wind shear)
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To: live+let_live
I think Americans are only too willing to give up freedom for more security or a stimulus payment to pay for a softer couch upon which to watch American Idol.

Actually, I think that Americans, in the true sense of the word, would never have been willing to consent to the amount of socialism that has sneaked into our society. The promoters of socialism knew that, and still know it, so they've done their best, through cultural influences, to turn us all into Europeans, at which point we'll accept any socialistic nonsense they spoon out. In addition, they have opened the gates wide open to any third-world peasant who has the gumption to take a walk across our border, but who also is already conditioned to accept high levels of government control and corruption.

Basically, the commies have been working to destroy the American character so they can implement their vision, because they know that the traditional American character would otherwise make that impossible.
57 posted on 05/06/2008 11:57:20 AM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: Rockingham

Man, did you hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately every point you made was absolutely true.


58 posted on 05/06/2008 12:07:23 PM PDT by brydic1
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To: Rockingham

That left a mark.


59 posted on 05/06/2008 12:47:37 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: Always Right

Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress share responsibility for the decline of approval of the GOP.”
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Agreed.
RE-ELECT NO ONE !


60 posted on 05/06/2008 1:07:23 PM PDT by cowdog77 (Circle the Wagons)
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