[JHBowden]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

This is lunacy; I will not partake in it. Taking up arms when you don’t get your way on economic policy is self-destructive.

[BubbaBasher]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

Treason? Against what? Certainly not against an organization that holds the Constitution and the average citizen in disdain. The imposters in Washington are an illegitimate body that resembles nothing of the government designed to protect our rights. Our founding fathers threw off the shackles of a tyrannical government and we may be called to do the same!

[mek1959]

I don't think Mr. Williams is advocating “taking up arms”. Rather, he was advocating a peaceful secession of a few states and then economic partnership. If there were any “taking up of arms”, it would be by the forces seeking to stop a peaceful secession.

[Raymann]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

[CodeToad]

“Taking up arms when you don’t get your way on economic policy is self-destructive.”

Our founding fathers did it.

[DuncanWaring]

There’s a lot more to it than economic policy.

[Jack Black]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

This is lunacy; I will not partake in it. Taking up arms when you don’t get your way on economic policy is self-destructive.

I havent' read his essay for a while. But I don't think he's advocating violence.

Just because Lincoln took us down that route doesn't mean a peaceful dissolution of the union could not take place now.

Lets face it: the Blue state majority don't believe a war to oust a horrible dictator who has killed over 1 million people, used WMDs on his minorities, used rape as tool of government repression, and put living humans into plastic bottle shredders and watched them be torn to bits ..... they are unlikey to go to war over a few states opting out of FedGov.

These people could not possible logically support a war to force free Americans who had expressed their will in a free and open election to adhere to a political entity they no longer wanted to be apart of.

Leftists have no ideological straw to anchor them to keeping recalcitrant states in. Most of them already favor letting Hawaii go.

[Jack Black]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

This is lunacy; I will not partake in it. Taking up arms when you don’t get your way on economic policy is self-destructive.

I havent' read his essay for a while. But I don't think he's advocating violence.

Just because Lincoln took us down that route doesn't mean a peaceful dissolution of the union could not take place now.

Lets face it: the Blue state majority don't believe a war to oust a horrible dictator who has killed over 1 million people, used WMDs on his minorities, used rape as tool of government repression, and put living humans into plastic bottle shredders and watched them be torn to bits ..... they are unlikey to go to war over a few states opting out of FedGov.

These people could not possible logically support a war to force free Americans who had expressed their will in a free and open election to adhere to a political entity they no longer wanted to be apart of.

Leftists have no ideological straw to anchor them to keeping recalcitrant states in. Most of them already favor letting Hawaii go.

[Dead Corpse]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

Wrong. Those in Office perverting our Constitutional Republic are the ones committing treason.

This goes FAR beyond mere economic policy as well.

[Travis McGee]

Gee, I missed the part where he advocated treason and taking up arms. Can you quote that part to me?

[archy]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

Not at all. I saw nothing in Mr Williams' essay that advocated conducting war against the United States or its people- who are, per the constittion that created the United States, the government itself.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

This is lunacy; I will not partake in it.

That is your prerogative and you're welcome to it. Kindly note though, that others of us here do not have that option, and are sworn otherwise:

I, (NAME)(SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of MAJOR do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.) You will note that we are not sworn to defend the flag, nor federal buildings or territory, not the public, nor any other public officials or employees or anything else. But those who would mess with the American constitution are asking for real trouble.

Taking up arms when you don’t get your way on economic policy is self-destructive.

As, for instance, when the tea was dumped in Boston harbour as a tax protest, followed shortly thereafter when General Thomas Gage and his troops had more difficulty confiscating property from Americans in Concord and Lexington than he had imagined. Or when those pesky Sioux and Cheyanne had to be eliminated after it was found that the lands ceded to them by treaty weren't quite as worthless as it originally appeared?

[ctdonath2]

Mr. Williams is inviting me to commit treason.

No, Mr. Williams is observing that treason has already been committed - by those entrusted with carrying out the powers of the Constitution. It is not treason to inform the usurpers that they have no legitimacy when they force upon us their will outside of what the Constitution permits them to. It is not treason to say, with force if need be, "enough!" and stop cooperating with their extra-Constitutional use of force to compel us to do that which the Constitution has not empowered them to do.