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To: AntiKev
It's called nuclear fusion baby!

Which came from????? A process that we utilize each and every single day. It produces much of the energy used by plant life, and therefore a significant quantity of the energy used by animal life (humans included).

Oh yeah now I can see how this all accidentally just happened to come together. Happens all the time. Hey by the way, with the exception of the Reeses Peanut Butter Cup, can you tell me the last time something tremendous just happen to come together? I mean with the randomness of atoms that appear from no where, things must be being created (without mans intervention) that are new and astonishing and only a few years old. Name 1?

As for the big bang theory, when we start getting into things like dark matter and dark energy, well...it gets complicated. But because of the nature of the universe we can't see to the big bang (only the background radiation left over from it) or through the big bang, so there's no way of knowing when/how it happened or what existed before.

So you believe in something you can't see, but can't believe in God? OK

A theory is what best fits the facts as currently known. It's not conjecture based on slim evidence (that would be a hypothesis, but I wouldn't use the word conjecture). I'd like to see those numbers if you please. I would argue that the subject is the same, whether you're talking God or a non-theistic view of the creation of the universe. And the last sentence is pure hubris, nothing more.

Oh OK. Give me a fact on the theory of Evolution. The last subject is pure hubris, because you cannot speak authoritatively of it as I can, just like I cannot speak of the love you have for your spouse as you can.

Global warming, and anthropogenic global warming are two different animals. The world warms and cools naturally, we have little to no discernible affect on it. As far as enlightenment, God has stopped creating, man will continue to for the foreseeable future.

I never said anthropogenic global warming and thats not what Scientist are agreeing upon. Its Global Warming and they say its caused by man, with no facts, only theories of what will happen in a computer model in 25 of 50 or 100 years. Water vapor isn't even figured in their "Theory". Scientists cannot even tell you how much condensation is created in 1 year, they just don't know. But its the same people who will tell us that the world is doomed in 25 or so years, yet cannot predict the weather for next Thursday.

This is a rather pointless argument since yours is a faith in man and mine is a faith in God. You'll go your way and I'll go mine from the looks of it. Neither converted, neither convinced. But mine has and will stand the test of time. Yours will crumble away.

115 posted on 04/17/2008 3:39:36 PM PDT by Bommer (Hmmm who to vote for? A Far leftist? A Radical Leftist? Or a Republican that enjoys being a Leftist?)
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To: Bommer
I mean with the randomness of atoms that appear from no where, things must be being created (without mans intervention) that are new and astonishing and only a few years old. Name 1?

Life. :D

But in all seriousness, chemical reactions happen all the time. If you know a little bit about physics and chemistry it's not really a big stretch to go from collisions of protons to form helium to synthesis of organic molecules.

So you believe in something you can't see, but can't believe in God? OK

I can "SEE" (with the right equipment) cosmic microwave background radiation, which is predicted by the big bang theory. Every time a result predicted by a theory is seen, it strengthens that theory.

Oh OK. Give me a fact on the theory of Evolution. The last subject is pure hubris, because you cannot speak authoritatively of it as I can, just like I cannot speak of the love you have for your spouse as you can.

You say you know Christ. Can you call him up on the phone and ask him to turn your glass of water into a glass of wine? You believe in God and his only begotten son. This blinds you to the world around you. (I know, you'll say it opens your eyes to it.)

I never said anthropogenic global warming and thats not what Scientist are agreeing upon. Its Global Warming and they say its caused by man, ...

Look up anthropogenic in the dictionary.

...with no facts, only theories of what will happen in a computer model in 25 of 50 or 100 years. Water vapor isn't even figured in their "Theory". Scientists cannot even tell you how much condensation is created in 1 year, they just don't know. But its the same people who will tell us that the world is doomed in 25 or so years, yet cannot predict the weather for next Thursday.

Phew, would you like to start that study? Every time I take a beer out of the fridge, water condenses onto the bottle out of the air. I took two out tonight while I was barbecuing. Average that over the year and that's a lot of condensation. Your ignorance of science is showing.

This is a rather pointless argument since yours is a faith in man and mine is a faith in God. You'll go your way and I'll go mine from the looks of it. Neither converted, neither convinced. But mine has and will stand the test of time. Yours will crumble away.

You're right in one sense, and wrong in another. I would venture a guess that a majority of the world's population (We'll call it 3.3 billion + 1 for the sake of argument) believes in some sort of God. It may not be the same as yours, but it is a God. It has been like that forever, and for the foreseeable future it seems that it will stay that way, people will continue to believe in myth for nothing but comfort. But scientific progress will continue as well. From the ancient Egyptians who built pyramids without anything close to resembling modern technology, to the Romans and their indoor plumbing, to the middle ages and the development of ever more powerful war machines, and finally the industrial revolution.

Just for the sake of argument, let's try a thought experiment. You say God created Earth some time in the past. Well he is all powerful and what not, so let's take this to it's logical end. We don't know the date of creation. Let's place it 5000 years before Christ. So everything that we've found, every artifact, every bone, every oil field, every tool, every skeleton from before that time was placed in its place by God. Given that, what's to stop him from creating the Earth 2500 years BC? If he can put every little detail in place, then it doesn't matter does it? Now 1000 years BC. Same thing. 500 years BC? 10 years BC? How about 10 years AD? 1000 years AD? Last Thursday? Just some food for thought.

127 posted on 04/17/2008 4:57:33 PM PDT by AntiKev ("The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena." - Carl Sagan)
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To: Bommer
There is no evidence on earth or in the universe which is inconsistent with the idea of a creator God.

But given the postulate of such a creator, the earth does contain quite a bit of evidence that he has taken several billion years to do it, and worked through a number of mistakes and false starts along the way.

137 posted on 04/17/2008 6:20:49 PM PDT by Notary Sojac
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