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You don't want to know, you want it explained. You're like the 10 year old that spoils the magic show by annoying the magician asking how he did the trick. Faith my friend is what you need to seek, not knowledge.

Or I want to do the explaining. And yes, I would be that annoying 10 year old. I guess that's why I'm an engineer and not a theologist.

He did. You're too blind to see! His proof is in everything you see and hear. Some for the good and some that is not that great, but the proof is there. Very subtle but there. But prove it yourself. Make something out of absolute nothing.

You sound like a disgraced former Canadian Prime Minister.

"I don't know! A proof is a proof. What kind of a...proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof, and when you have a good proof it's because it's proven."

From the horse's ~~ass~~ mouth to your ears.

You can't create something from nothing. And the whole idea of God brings up another issue. If God created us, who/what created God? And so on ad infinitum. Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation is the most probable, and since the whole idea of God gets us into an infinite loop of questions without answers, I'm more inclined to believe the simpler answer, that some other force created the universe.

Dust could not exist without God. It just wasn't suddenly there. God created it as well as you. His wonderful gift is to give you free will to accept or denounce him. People like you only seem to accept him when your clutching your heart or about to die, yet you seem to denounce those that where hurting with addiction and were saved.

I disagree. The idea of God couldn't exist without sentient life to create it. I agree that dust just wasn't suddenly there, but you CAN create heaver elements out of lighter ones, therefore it's not out of the realm of possibility that we started with the constituents of sub-atomic particles and worked our way up from there.

I'd be willing to bet a significant amount that I know a lot more about your faith and the history of it than you do about the Big Bang theory or any other theories about the creation/destruction of the universe. The problem I find with many people on BOTH sides of this argument is there is a degree of willful ignorance about the other side. I don't enter an argument without knowing enough about the other side to argue intelligently. I'm not trying to change anyone else's belief here, I'm just trying to show you that there are other points of view that are just as valid as yours.

It sounds like your "exposure" to God only comes from AA meetings. Try church and open up your heart. We are not freaks or vampires looking to cram Jesus down your throat. It doesn't work that way. God will reveal himself to you through his son, who died for you, if only you ask....and sincerely mean it.

If only. My experience is first hand, I attended Sunday school for about a year as a child. I did the weekly English reading at our church's Saturday evening mass for a time when I was a little older than that.

Cognitive dissonance is the state of holding two competing beliefs and being able to twist the facts enough to justify both of them. Tell me how exactly it is that God loves every single one of his children, and yet will not hesitate to send one of them to hell if they don't repent.

That being said. I do realize that there are MANY things we don't understand about life. And especially sentient life. We don't know exactly what it is that gives us "intelligence". Scientists are much more cautious to argue that we are alone in the universe (which is an open question, with exactly one data point), let alone the most advanced or intelligent species in the universe.

You can't create something from nothing. And the whole idea of God brings up another issue. If God created us, who/what created God?

God always was and always will be. The problem is that this argument is taken from the realm of human mortality and its limitations, not immortality and the power of the divine. God never had a beginning and will never have an end.

I agree that dust just wasn't suddenly there, but you CAN create heaver elements out of lighter ones,

Then where did the heavier element come from? A heavier one and on it goes. It came from something. Even if you subscribe to the "Big Bang" Theory where did the matter come from? It was always there? Why can that be believed but the existance of God cannot?

You know the history of a Theory? A theory is unproven fact. Its conjecture based on slim evidence, which is why its the Theory of Evolution not the Fact of Evolution. So you know alot about conjecture. God has revealed himself through numberous men and through his son Jesus Christ. There are more books written on Christ alone then the Big Bang and Evolution put together. Since you do not know Christ, you cannot possibly know more than I!

My experience is first hand, I attended Sunday school for about a year as a child. did the weekly English reading at our church's Saturday evening mass for a time when I was a little older than that.

A whole year? What where you? Training to be a Pope? Just kidding. Anyone can read. It takes more than just reading the bible. You choose not to believe the word of God, Free will baby! His greatest gift, and your unfortuniately your potential greatest loss.

Scientists are much more cautious to argue that we are alone in the universe (which is an open question, with exactly one data point), let alone the most advanced or intelligent species in the universe.

Same ones that invented Global Warming? What truly do they Not a slam against you, but true enlightenment comes from the word of God. Its existed for thousands of years and has yet to be proven wrong. Read The Case For Christ Written by an athiest lawyer seeking to prove Christ was not the son of God, and in his failing became enlightened! Good Luck FRiend!