Posted on 04/08/2008 7:02:06 AM PDT by njweave
Try "The Federalist Papers" and "The Antifederalist Papers."
After your first post, it will take a while to dispel the suspicions of FReepers, especially the Viking Kitties. I think your title was "slightly modified" due to that suspicion. ;-)
If you keep your posts clean, don't trash conservative values and debate fairly, your stay will be a long one at Free Republic. You took the razzing without losing your cool and your comments didn't cross any lines.
I highly recommend you visit the HTML Sandbox to learn how to format your posts. Well formatted posts will earn you some respect. Good posting will earn you more.
No hard feelings. Welcome to Free Republic, NJ.
Thank you.
It’s an unadulterated pleasure to effectively communicate.
1st year college, I’d guess. ;-)
Words mean things, and if the definition of marriage can be changed that easily, then the definition of words such as self defense, adult, citizen, free speech, privacy, and taxes can also be changed by any and every tin horn bureaucrat and buffoon out there.
This whole definition issue is why we have a written constitution for our republic. Otherwise we'd be like Orwell's Animal Farm where "all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."
Nobody is stopping gay people from living together, and if gays want civil unions or some other sort of legal consideration then they can go through the same legislative processes as any other group that wishes to change the law.
Welcome to Free Republic. Look out for Liberty Valance... he shot at JFK from the Grassy Knoll in Dallas. He got a Cub Scout merit badge for it. He's even showed it to me several times.
LOL - it’s getting deep.
Oops. I didn’t think you’d catch that one!
LOL!
Thanks to an awful lot of rude and often unsubstantive responses...
It looks like you are getting some good reading recommendations.
If you are still in school, as per your posting, I expect you to have liberal leanings anyway. (I don't just mean the influence from your parents or education). When we are younger, it is easy (and common) to say things like “Lets all get along.” But, as you grow up and take on more responsibility in your life, you will start to expand your thinking. I'm very glad you are doing this now.
Going on the assumption that you have worked some in your life, here is a good philosophical question for you:
Lets say you work 50 hours a week for our example (don't worry about pay rate, just hours). So, in a two week span, you will have worked 100 hours. Would it bother you if someone put a gun to your head and said “I will take the first 30 hours of your work?” What about the first 50 hours? How many hours would you voluntarily give up? (Assuming you had no say on what those hours were spent on).
Now, you might say that my example is harsh, but just wait to see how harsh the Fed Gov. will be if you choose not to pay all the taxes they want?
Now, who decides how much of your labor the gov. can take? Not you! It is the politicians who are voted into office by the “majority.” Sound all warm an fuzzy, but let me play devils advocate.
I'm a politician. My “JOB” is to get reelected to keep my power. All I need to get reelected is 50% of the vote. Hey, I've got a great idea. I'll promise the bottom 51% of the population that they won't have to pay any taxes. Then, I will get at least 50% of the vote because those people don't want to pay taxes, and I'm promising them a free ride. I'll just take more hours from the “EVIL RICH.”
That became a lot longer than I intended this morning. There is a great analogy between dining at a restaurant and our current tax structure, but I don't have it handy. I'll find it and post later.
First of all, you either ignored purposely or by accident the first set of questions concerning our Founding Documents.
Second, by you bringing up homosexuality, I see what you - as a liberal - consdier to be important. You say you believe in God. Have you read the Bible? Do you have a basic understanding of Christianity? Do you have a basic understanding of the God of Abraham? Believing in God is basically easy because He gives you free choice to make two choices. The first choice is to follow His rules and have eternal life in Heaven. The second choice is to not follow his rules and have eternal life in Hell. The main point you need to see first of all is you are going to have eternal life. Now, it is up to you to how you want to spend it.
One of God's rules is that homosexuallity is an abomination. A man will not lay with a man and a woman will not lay with a woman. Now, don't try to pull the trick about the law calls for stoning to death those who are homosexual. This is where we get to Jesus.
Jesus was the last covenant of God. Jesus said to forgive the sin but he never abdicated God's law. We - as humans - are required to forgive the sin but we continue sinning if we promote and promulgate sin.
Do you have children? If not, do you think a parent should indulge the child their every wish and demand? That is what we are to God - his children. Parent love their children but when their children do wrong - hitting their sibling, breaking something, stealing, etc., - then the child must be punished and corrected. The same with us - we are God's children. And like a parent with multiple children, at times when one child is bad, all the children get punished. And the last thing to remember about God is that He - and his word and law - are the same as yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I will not gay-bash or beat up gays. But I will work hard to prevent their deviant lifestyle - yes, I consider it deviant because it veers from the norm - from advancing. It is my simple effort to combat sin.
Now, some of your arguments are just silly? Who stated women should not be in the work force? Why did you even raise that question? The same with the use of the term humans. Of course I mean all male and female. And yes, by raising loaded questions like that, you are trying to pick a fight?
Four more things and then I will await your answer. One - spell out your words. Be an intelligent human not some child unable to spell out simple words such as you and are. Use proper grammar and capitalization. Two - the main difference between liberals and conservatives is indicated in your last sentence. Conservatives do not make decisions based on 'feelings' but by thinking. DO NOT FEEL - THINK!!!! Three - answer my questions concerning the Founding Documents. And lastly - stop being argumentive. If someone makes a statement you disagree with, don't agrue because it hurts your feelings or it goes against your belief system. Look up what the person said to see if it is true or not. The truth is neighter fair nor unfair - it just is.
It’s up to you to educate yourself.
I have obviously hurt your feelings. I am not arguing, I’m playing devil’s advocate. I am trying to see what people have on takes that are important in politics today. I do believe in God, and I follow his rules. The Bible doesn’t say that I am going to hell for SUPPORTING gay marriage. Part of being in America is that you can express yourself. I’m not pulling any tricks.
Also, where do you draw the line between Church and State? I could be wrong, but weren’t the Founding Fathers very clear at the seperation of the two?
I may have overlooked your Document post so I will keep looking for it.
Thanks for spell checking my posts. I’ll keep it mind
I thank you for checking my spelling. I will keep it mind.
The Documents
First of all, you did not hurt my feelings. I have to agree with another poster who informed you to get over yourself. Second, I am not the judge of you going to heaven or hell and neither are your. However, if you support and promote sin - and homosexuality is a sin - then you will have a tough time explaining your actions to the ultimate judge. Third, you are correct that in America you can express yourself. However, you confuse this liberty as license that everyone has to pay attention to you. They do not. And if you say stupid and foolish things or behave stupidly, no one is under any obligation to take you seriously. Fourth, with your statement concerning church and state, you just told me you have not read the Founding Documents. Why? Because there is nothing in the Constitution concerning church and state. And yes, you are wrong concerning the Founding Fathers. Fifth, you are being disengenuous concerning my post about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. It was in my initial post to you and you know that. It is also extremely easy for you to backtrack to my initial post and read what I had to say. And finally, by admitting to playing devil’s advocate tells me that you are not serious about wanting to know what conservatives think or believe. I have neither the time nor the desire to communicate with any individual who wants to play games.
Yes ultimately you are a troll because your sole contribution to the site was a newbie vanity and playing “devil’s advocate” espousing arguments you didn’t agree with.
Never did post anything to any thread that did not concern your own thread.
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