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To: twntaipan

So how do these companies make money off the product? AFAIK it’s a breach of the usage license of Linux to sell it (although I have no idea who’d sue you for it). I get the idea of competitive collaboration to improve a product, but if the product can’t be sold, why are these companies paying people to work on it?


9 posted on 04/02/2008 8:18:27 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turbopilot

They pay little of R & D costs, benefit fully from collaboration, and sell both the product and the services (especially the services) behind the product.

But, remember, these are not small start-ups. IBM has existed for 60 years or so, and Intel is the leader in the industry. They must derive some benefit to the bottom line or they wouldn’t be involved.


10 posted on 04/02/2008 8:30:20 AM PDT by twntaipan (NOBAMA!)
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To: Turbopilot
So how do these companies make money off the product? AFAIK it’s a breach of the usage license of Linux to sell it (although I have no idea who’d sue you for it).

More knowledgeable FReepers, correct me if I'm wrong.

The Linux kernel is covered under the GNU GPL, which means that companies can sell modified copies of the kernel, but they must provide the source code, including modifications. And, after the first distribution, the recipient can then turn around and offer the entire thing for free to others. So, there's not really any money to be made in selling the product itself. As for breaches of the GPL, the original author (or copyright holder) would be the one to sue the infringer.

The money is in supporting businesses and developing custom software applications that may depend on the GNU/Linux system.

12 posted on 04/02/2008 8:55:43 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (I have great faith in the American people. I have no faith in the American government, however.)
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To: Turbopilot; rabscuttle385
AFAIK it’s a breach of the usage license of Linux to sell it (although I have no idea who’d sue you for it).

The right to sell copies is part of the definition of free software. Except in one special situation, there is no limit on what price you can charge. (The one exception is the required written offer to provide source code that must accompany binary-only release.)

Does the GPL allow me to sell copies of the program for money?

14 posted on 04/02/2008 9:01:37 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Turbopilot
By selling goods and services that use Linux. Open source software provides us (I'm one of those who is paid to hack the Linux kernel by one of the companies listed earlier in this thread) with better software for less R&D expenses.

To be a tad too blunt about it, five or ten years ago I managed a group doing a piece of Unix kernel code critical to the specialized computer systems my employer sells. Now I do that myself as a Linux open source project cooperating with other people in other companies from around the globe (Australia, France, China, Japan, India, Eastern Europe, ...)

For a tenth the cost my employer is getting several times better technology, and our customers much prefer not being locked into proprietary solutions.

Not illegal at all. The GNU General Public License (GPL) license under which the Linux kernel is distributed requires that you provide the source code for no more than fair distribution costs. You can charge as much as you like (and can collect) for products that include or use Linux.
15 posted on 04/02/2008 9:03:04 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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To: Turbopilot
but if the product can’t be sold,

Who says it can't be sold? You're confusing Free (as in Beer) with Free (as in Speech)

If you take open sourced code that is released under the GNU Public License (GPL) and make modifications to it, you are fully free to charge whatever you want for it (as in Beer) The requirement imposed on you though is that the source code including your modification also be made available, under the GPL, for others to use as they wish (as in Speech). If you don't redistribute the software to others, you're under no obligation to release your modifications.

Why this is worth expending resources to companies is that it allows them to avoid re-inventing the wheel, or having to purchase expensive proprietary software when open-source software exists that does what they need with little or no modification.

Companies also can make money off open source software by releasing it packaged with proprietary "value-added" software that makes it worth the consumer's time to buy. ie. Installer programs, Office programs, Point of Sale software, etc.

17 posted on 04/02/2008 9:11:58 AM PDT by MichiganMan (Remember when Linkin Park wasn't on your mom's radio station?)
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To: Turbopilot
You are wrong. A company CAN sell Linux. But that's not really where the money is made on any OS, at least unless they sell a gazillion copies. It's in supporting the software and associated applications that is where the money is made.

And that's true for for all companies, including Microsoft. They don't make that much money selling SQL server. They make money from selling services to design SQL systems for large companies.

Mark

28 posted on 04/03/2008 6:01:26 AM PDT by MarkL
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