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To: RussP; Coyoteman
In science, nothing can be proved mathematically, but we sometimes use the word proof in the less formal sense. For example, we might say the fact that the earth is not flat is “proved.”

Rather, the hypothesis that the Earth is flat is disproved. Science can disprove things easily enough--find evidence that renders a hypothesis incorrect. E.g.:

Theory: Literalist Biblical Creation
Hypothesis: If the Solar System is 6000 +/- 1000 years old, then Literalist Biblical Creation is supported.
Method: Radiologically date meteorites.
Observation: Meteorites are > 7000 years old.
Result: The hypothesis is disproved and the theory must be revised or discarded.

Coyoteman, did I do that right? It looks like I just rendered obsolete the entire field of Creationism, and that's not something I'd do lightly. And I haven't done any research design since the halcyon school days.

(On topic, I don't think it was evolution what done in Huckabee. He never really had a chance.)

91 posted on 03/30/2008 12:04:36 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

[[Method: Radiologically date meteorites.
Observation: Meteorites are > 7000 years old.]]

Can you prove they are the dates that show up? No- they can’t- so their assumption is just that- an assumption, and hterefore nothign is disproven- Radiological dating methods are known to be accurate only to about < 7000 years- beyond that they are not accurate nor can they be proven to be accurate and MUST rely on assumptions- Are you saying then that their assumptions trump our assumptions then? On what basis then?


95 posted on 03/30/2008 12:18:34 AM PDT by CottShop
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To: Caesar Soze
Coyoteman, did I do that right? It looks like I just rendered obsolete the entire field of Creationism, and that's not something I'd do lightly. And I haven't done any research design since the halcyon school days.

Nothing can disprove creation in the minds of creationists. It is a belief that was not arrived at logically and through scientific evidence, so logic and scientific evidence won't alter that belief.

117 posted on 03/30/2008 8:54:49 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Caesar Soze

“Coyoteman, did I do that right? It looks like I just rendered obsolete the entire field of Creationism, and that’s not something I’d do lightly. And I haven’t done any research design since the halcyon school days.”

You are obviously unaware of “old-earth creationism.” I suggest you take a look at Hugh Ross’s “Reasons To Believe” website at http://www.reasons.org

Hugh Ross is a PhD astronomer who has studied the Bible and other holy books and come to the conclusion that the Bible and no other holy book is completely consistent with what we know now about the universe and its origin. But he says that the whole issue of six literal 24-hour days is really just a mistranslation of the original Hebrew text.

Ross has identified literally dozens and dozens of physical constants and parameters that had to be “just right” for life as we know it to exist. If some of those constants varied by even a tiny fraction of one percent, stars and planets would have never formed, for example.


139 posted on 03/30/2008 11:42:52 AM PDT by RussP
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