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To: tokenatheist; Alamo-Girl; r9etb; Coyoteman; metmom; hosepipe; MHGinTN; TXnMA; AndrewC; CottShop
How can you simply ignore all the genetic evidence?

Genetic evidence — of what?

I can "see" the genetic evidence, yet still ask: of what is it the evidence? Do you assert it is evidence of a purely material process unfolding more or less randomly in space and time? That nothing else is involved?

If so, then how do you know that?

Then again, we might ask: What is DNA? Is it the "fount" of life? If so, then how come it's exactly the same whether the creature it describes is alive or dead?

Or could it be, rather, a master code that decrypts all the relevant information needed by the particular living organism being transmitted to it by a nonphemomenal, extra-spatial, extra-temporal source; i.e., a source existing outside the four-dimensional spacetime of normative human experience?

Oh, I forgot: This is the type of question that an atheist simply refuses to ask.

But there is hope for you, tokenatheist; because you claim to be only a "token" atheist. Maybe that means you really aren't a "real" atheist after all.

Thank you so much for writing!

636 posted on 04/05/2008 11:59:11 AM PDT by betty boop (This country was founded on religious principles. Without God, there is no America. -- Ben Stein)
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To: betty boop

That is a lot of words to simply say god did it.


640 posted on 04/05/2008 12:11:10 PM PDT by tokenatheist
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To: betty boop; hosepipe; AndrewC; tokenatheist
Thank you both so much for your wonderful posts and the engaging sidebar that followed!

Information theory trumps DNA evidence - every time.

DNA is just "a" message. It is not life. DNA survives physical death.

Information, on the other hand, is the reduction of uncertainty [Shannon entropy] in the receiver or molecular machine in going from a before state to an after state. It is not the message. It is the successful communication of the message.

Science has not yet determined a viable theory for the origin of information in this universe.

To paraphrase Jastrow, one day when the scientists climb the last mountain of knowledge they'll be greeted by the theologians who have been waiting for them all along.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. – Psalms 19:1-3

To God be the glory!

667 posted on 04/05/2008 10:24:40 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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