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To: mrjesse
Some people believe that way. But it is clear that not everybody believes that way. The news is full of stories about people who believe that as long as they can get away with something without those around them turning on them or finding out, that anything is fine to do.

True, but people who think that way are just as often Christians, Jews, Hindus, Confucians, and Muslims.

Immorality is a character flaw, not a flaw based on philosophy or belief in evolution.

With my scientific / engineering tendencies, I tend to find out what something says before deciding what it means. And the Bible is quite clear in describing 6 twenty four hour days, each with an evening and a morning. Furthermore, it gives generations of people and their ages. In answer to your question, I have not found the Bible to be compatible with what the evolutionists claim.

While I agree with you regarding the clarity of the biblical passages, I disagree with you as regards their intent... But, frankly, I'd probably end up doing more harm than good, if I tried to cover how I viewed the intent of those passages. I'll see if I can find a source similar to my own beliefs who covers it better.

This almost sounds like "It doesn't matter if we're lying to the students and telling them that evolution is proven even though it isn't, because they aren't paying attention anyway" :-)

But my impression has been that by the time an average child is graduated from highschool, he has been quite thoroughly, for many years, taught evolution. And it can't help but influence his decisions later in life.

Wait, wait, wait, that was in regards to discussion of the Big Bang, not evolution.

Evolution is covered in much more depth, and matters significantly more simply because it's a controversial issue, which the state has a responsibility to treat delicately.

I disagree with the assertion that it will influence his decisions, however; his peer group, family, and geographic location all have such significant influence on a persons character that it would be difficult to determine how much influence evolution could possibly have; especially since few people who believe evolution considers its implications as regards themselves.

Honestly, beyond basic literacy and numeracy, I question whether schools have any influence on children at all, beyond introducing them to a wide range of people and determining who is suitable for college. It certainly seems as though few walk away with anything beyond the basics.

And don't even get me started on the disgraceful state of "history" and "geography" classes...

390 posted on 04/02/2008 1:47:20 AM PDT by Ohwhynot (Cross with the state of education)
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To: Ohwhynot; mrjesse
Evolution is covered in much more depth, and matters significantly more simply because it's a controversial issue, which the state has a responsibility to treat delicately.

Actually, in many schools, evolution might cover a week or so of high school biology. It is really not covered all that in depth. Nor do I think that the state has any concern about how accurately it's taught, so long as they can avoid run ins with the ACLU by NOT teaching creation.

And honestly, knowledge of the ToE has so little relevance to what the vast majority of people are going to do with the rest of their lives, that that is why it's seen as an indoctrination issue.

IMO, it could be totally avoided at the high school level and nobody would notice the difference. Even if it's well taught, it's not being well received. If the kids even pay attention to it in the first place and haven't slept through it in class, or listened to their iPods instead, or done homework for a different class, they still have to assimilate it correctly. Kids can pass the Biology regents even if they totally fail the evolution part. How does anyone expect kids that are barely literate or numerate, to understand scientific concepts of any kind?

Any one who needs to know anything about evolution can learn what is relevant to their career fields at the college level.

402 posted on 04/02/2008 5:24:27 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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