[metmom]

But those who are criticizing science for poor performance in those areas often choose themselves to define TRVTH on the basis of divine revelation and scripture for which there is absolutely no concrete evidence provided.

So then what is the standard to be used to determine these things? Something men made up? How is that different than divine revelation that you sneer at? Is consensus really the way to determine truth?

[Coyoteman]

So then what is the standard to be used to determine these things? Something men made up? How is that different than divine revelation that you sneer at?

It can be observed and measured. Divine revelation can't. Otherwise there would not be some 4,300 world religions, most of which believe they, and only they, have the real TRVTH.

ps. What happened to cause you to hate science so much? There is hardly a science thread on this site where you don't show up and denigrate whatever is being discussed.