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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Coyoteman
CAN... science, the scientific method, being a scientist... be a second reality?..

If so, then a hermetically sealed world would adjust all evidence and facts encountered.. Segregated from first reality by a mentally contructed second reality, the walls of that second reality would be all important..

This 1st and 2nd reality conversation impacts another discussion.. Being the "sheep pens" in John ch 10.. because that is what Jesus was talking about "AS" sheep pens.. i.e. a second reality.. Indeed the sheep pen is within us.. We construct it.. or slide toward one already constructed.. This would be true for a God believer or a God unbeliever.. as well..

Scientists are surely not immune.. possibly even more infected within a scientific discipline.. with thoughts oriented in a certain direction.. Yes, even mathematicians..

353 posted on 04/01/2008 5:23:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe
CAN... science, the scientific method, being a scientist... be a second reality?..

If so, then a hermetically sealed world would adjust all evidence and facts encountered.. Segregated from first reality by a mentally contructed second reality, the walls of that second reality would be all important..

Nice try, but I saw you palm that card.

You are defining your reality as the first reality (presumably including your religion, notwithstanding the complete lack of evidence for the supernatural).

"a hermetically sealed world would adjust all evidence and facts encountered" -- that sounds like religion, not science. Just look at the anti-science attitudes we see on these threads because science comes up with the "wrong" answers! Science shows the evidence for evolution, and constructs a theory to explain that evidence but some folks here can't tolerate that so they deny the evidence, they twist the facts, they quote mine, they wrap themselves in a "a hermetically sealed world" of belief and dogma -- anything to avoid having to face what the evidence in the real world actually shows.

And you are then defining science, which looks at everything observable and testable, as a second (read lesser) reality?

And you folks (collectively) are lecturing me on logic and science?

(What were those signs at the creation "museum?" Something like "Don't think -- Believe!" Yeah, that's doing science all right! That's how to establish reality!)

354 posted on 04/01/2008 5:56:04 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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