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To: wideawake
The Union never invaded the South - a country cannot invade its own sovereign territory by definition.

Denial of facts do not change the facts, in other words, just because Lincoln said that the South couldn't secede doesn't mean that they didn't secede.

But the so-called Confederacy did invade territory that, by its own admission, it had no sovereign jurisdiction over. Namely Pennsylvania.

That's called War; a war that was brought on by disHonest Abe for political purposes. I'm sure that you know that the stratagem behind Lee's invasion was to bring an end to Lincoln's illegal war.

What do you mean by the "so-called Confederacy"? Is this another example of denial?

41 posted on 03/29/2008 9:31:36 AM PDT by cowboyway (Did I say that out loud?)
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To: cowboyway
Denial of facts do not change the facts, in other words, just because Lincoln said that the South couldn't secede doesn't mean that they didn't secede.

The illegal attempt by the so-called Confederacy to secede from the Union failed.

That's called War; a war that was brought on by disHonest Abe for political purposes.

The war was brought on by the so-called Confederacy. They began the rebellion. Their illegal forces mobilized before the Union mobilized. They initiated hostilities as well.

I'm sure that you know that the stratagem behind Lee's invasion was to bring an end to Lincoln's illegal war.

At this point you are speaking like a member of an 1860's Code Pink. There was nothing illegal at all about the President's constitutionally authorized prerogative of putting down insurrection.

Lee's strategy in invading Pennsylvania was to try to defeat the legitimate army of the nation he betrayed. However, Lee was a wise man and he knew that even had he succeeded in encircling Washington DC, the government would have evacuated the capital by means of its superior Navy and lived to fight on and crush the insurrection.

What do you mean by the "so-called Confederacy"? Is this another example of denial?

If you built a wall around your house, declared your property the "Sovereign Republic Of Cowboyway", shot and killed a neighbor who was near your property and then engaged in a three-year standoff with the police before you emerged starving and filthy from your basement, would it be denial to refer to your little project as a so-called Republic, or would it be denial to pretend that it really was one?

55 posted on 03/29/2008 2:06:28 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: cowboyway
Denial of facts do not change the facts, in other words, just because Lincoln said that the South couldn't secede doesn't mean that they didn't secede.

They didn't. Their rebellion failed.

That's called War...

Indeed it is. And war, as the wise man once said, is hell. So why are you bitching and complaining because the war the South began came back to them?

What do you mean by the "so-called Confederacy"? Is this another example of denial?

I believe he's talking about the confederacy, small 'c'. Since it wasn't a country then it isn't a proper noun.

74 posted on 03/30/2008 10:42:14 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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