Now, here come the Mexican airplanes

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | August 09, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

[Niteflyr]

The U.S. has built nine navigation systems for Mexico and Canada under the controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America in an apparent first step toward establishing the satellite infrastructure needed to create a North American air traffic control system.

The defining vision for North American air traffic control was articulated by then-Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta in a Sept. 27, 2004, statement announcing, "We must make flying throughout North America as seamless as possible if we are to truly reap the rewards of the expanding global economy."

[1rudeboy]

You’re going to have to elaborate on what standardizing (and otherwise making more efficient and safe) air travel in Canada, Mexico, and the United States has to do with cheap labor . . . the cheap labor is walking or swimming across the border . . . not flying business class.

[Niteflyr]

The article wouldn’t have listed it as “controversial” if it were simply a great idea for standardization...safety and efficiency...now would they?

[1rudeboy]

OMGLOL
You have the nerve to post that to me?
Just for you, I'll provide the link to this article posted here seven months ago.

[1rudeboy]

That’s true, if you believe everything you read.

[Niteflyr]

Cheap labor and air traffic control have nothing to do with each other in this context ...they both have everything to do with the context of the NAU...

[1rudeboy]

Precisely. That’s why one can ignore that this is about air traffic control and argue it is about cheap labor. It simply requires a suspension of cognitive thought.

[Niteflyr]

I thought it was worth re-posting...and gee ...you have no life do you??
All that time to search threads to check for multiple posts...sorry...I HAVE a life...

[Niteflyr]

Precisely. That’s why one can ignore that this is about air traffic control and argue it is about cheap labor. It simply requires a suspension of cognitive thought.

Actually to me it's about NAU infrastructure...of which only a part relates to cheap labor....

[1rudeboy]

It took me maybe five or ten seconds. Get over yourself.

[upchuck]

Write your Congresscritter and ask him/her when they passed legislation authorizing this and how much of our money did they designate for this.

It’s amazing what the government can sneak through the back door when they really want to.

Another tick on the third-world clock.

[papasmurf]

As far as NAU is concerned, I am 100% opposed to it. Or anything that could even be construed as a NAU type of situation.

As far as International "seamlessness", I don't think it's a bad idea. The sky is crowded, and getting more so by the day. We need some sort of regionalized control under central management for the aircraft flying into, through and, near, our Country. Why shouldn't WE be the central managers?

I think that putting ourselves in a leadership position in an industry that is a huge part of the global economy is not a bad idea, either.

Globalism is here. It ain't going to go away, barring a world war. We can either be dragged into it, kicking and screaming, while THEY make the rules, or, we can lead the way and protect out interests, while also protecting safety and promoting some semblance of International fairness.

The main reason we don't like globalism, is we had a crappy team of negotiators doing our bidding for us, and we got the short end. But it ain't over, either. :)

As far as airline safety goes, International Mexican airlines are as safe as any. There are only two, at present to my knowledge, that would qualify to "gate" at a major airport, Aero Mexico, and Mexicana Airlines. Both of these airlines have very good safety records. Both, actually, have better records than...

Hawaiian Airlines
USAir Shuttle
WestJet
Midwest Express Airlines
JetBlue Airlines
United Express
ATA Airlines
American Eagle
Comair
AirTran Airways
Aloha Airlines


I've flown on AeroMexico and had great flights each time, was treated well, and have no complaints. Aeromexico, btw, is IATA certified.

Let's be fair, and reasonable, and choose our battles wisely.

No to NAU, yes to competition and air safety.

[AGreatPer]

"To pull off anything as ambitious as a North American air transport system, the federal government would have to construct a dozen new airports far away from major metropolitan areas."

Sorry to disagree with you. The basic structure is already in place. There are enough smaller airports that can be restructured to handle this load with excellent access to major destinations.
Just a few names: Richmond, VA; Harrisburg, PA, etc. (you get the idea).

[AnimalLover]

What next?????

[AnimalLover]

bttt

[RayChuang88]

The big problem with Mexicana and AeroMexico nowadays is they need more planes, not less! Both airlines are talking about big orders for Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 Family planes for intra-Mexican and transborder flights.

In fact, the biggest problem for both airlines is that Mexico City and Guadalajara, the two largest cities in the country, are at high altitudes, which can cause problems with takeoff runs in the summer.

[Niteflyr]

No to NAU, yes to competition and air safety.

On the face I agree with that....but the NAU as a whole could be sold as adding "competition and safety"....and probably will be presented that way....(ie: "trust me people it will be better for us all if we remove borders and create one big happy continent".) I'm a pilot and you don't have to create one large air traffic control system to have safe and seamless transitions between sovereign systems. We do it all day long when transitioning one controlled airspace system to another within the US.

[papasmurf]

I’m going to hold off on forming a firm opinion for now. I need more info, and I want to see it in writing.

I do see us getting left behind and, getting the short end on global trade, and that bothers me...a lot. I think we need to get in front of this, no matter which way it goes.

[ThomasThomas]

The Mrs. Grace L. Ferguson Airline (And Storm Door Co.)

I am sure that such operations exist both here and in Mexico.

[archy]

I thought Mexican airlines WERE a joke??!!!

Wait until you've had a ride on TACA, the national airline of Guatemala, particularly their regional carrier.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

>>Let’s be fair, and reasonable, and choose our battles wisely.

No to NAU, yes to competition and air safety.<<

I agree.

On the other hand, if they were to propose making even a part of our customs and immigration part of a “seamless” international system in which our officials answer to international courts, that would be unacceptable. There is nothing I can see in this article that sounds like that in this program — not yet anyway.