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All because of you : U2 manager says ISPs are ruining music
CBC ^ | January 29, 2008

Posted on 01/30/2008 9:32:00 PM PST by bamahead

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To: Squantos

Our government seems more concerned about revenue loss from downloading than savings lost by identity theft.


21 posted on 01/31/2008 9:41:58 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: weegee

I think it’s whoever has a better little gator to file for yer cause.

Peer to peer is a given with these folks that like to get bad copies and virus’s be it handing someone a disk or CD or sending em a .rar torrent file over the net.

If Bono and associates really want to protect their crappy toe tappin tunes maybe they should go back to basics and only do concerts vs albums.


22 posted on 01/31/2008 9:57:42 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: bamahead

It couldn’t be that recording companies are peddling crap ... no, that’s too convenient an excuse.


23 posted on 01/31/2008 9:58:48 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Tribune7
The Dead was better (and more profitable) than U2.

Right - and they practically gave most of it away!
24 posted on 01/31/2008 10:04:00 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: weegee
There is good music out there. And many festivals have many bands that are “known” by different undergrounds but none get on commercial radio, MTV, Rolling Stoned, People, The Tonight Show, or Saturday Night Live and none will ever be written about in Rolling Stone’s Rock and Roll HOF.

And, interestingly, it is those folks who will benefit most from internet distribution. For all I know it's already out there somewhere ... but I can easily see the advent of a "YouTune" type industry where good, self-produced music can bubble to the top for cheap.

25 posted on 01/31/2008 10:04:18 AM PST by r9etb
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To: bamahead
Right - and they practically gave most of it away!

Exactly!! Under the Dead model, Bono would have much more money and Mr. McGuinness would be out of a job.

26 posted on 01/31/2008 10:14:53 AM PST by Tribune7 (How is inflicting pain and death on an innocent, helpless human being for profit, moral?)
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To: bamahead
"And embedded deep down in the brilliance of those entrepreneurial, hippy values seems to be a disregard for the true value of music."

Here is the problem with this statement. How come The Wall, which came out 28 years ago still costs 30 bucks? Meanwhile 90% of DVDs that come out get discounted heavily after a fairly short period of time. CDs almost never go down in price. If the record companies would drop their prices some it would increase sales, but who wants to spend 20 bucks for just audio, when you can get a movie for 10? It makes no sense.
27 posted on 01/31/2008 10:17:08 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: windcliff
McGuinness blamed these forces for "destroying the recorded music industry,"
Are we suppossed to feel badly about this??
28 posted on 01/31/2008 10:19:56 AM PST by stylecouncilor (I'm a loner Dottie; a rebel.)
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To: bamahead

Destroying music is one thing. We do that every day as we pick up the viola and bow. Destroying the music industry is another thing.


29 posted on 01/31/2008 10:22:28 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: bamahead
Paul McGuinness, long-time manager of rock band U2, on Monday launched a verbal attack against illegal music downloaders, as well as internet service providers, device makers, Silicon Valley and even hippies in a speech at a conference in France.

"Why it's gotten to the point where Bono has to wipe his ass with coarse $20 bills instead of the $100s his sensitive, African-debt-relief-promoting buttocks had become accustomed to."

Later, Mr. McGuinness climbed into his Bentley and headed to the airport, where his private jet whisked him off to his Caribbean island retreat to relax and recover from his exhausting speech.

30 posted on 01/31/2008 10:24:28 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: r9etb

Youtube has already been hacked by the industry. Some company (Disney? WB?) had a woman signed for a year when they started a viral marketing plan where they shot videos cheaply in her kitchen on a single camera setup.

She was skeptical at first but they were pitched to the masses as an independent singer/songwriter just uploading her own material to Youtube and getting signed as a result.

The scam was exposed but it worked.

The soulless cool always seek to co-opt the language and techniques of the real.


31 posted on 01/31/2008 10:28:17 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: RightWhale

The music industry is a criminal enterprise. Sometimes more than others but there is always a criminal element to “making hits” and “keeping books” and even keeping “talent” from jumping a contract.


32 posted on 01/31/2008 10:29:44 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: weegee

‘Money for nothing.’
That’s the way to do it.


33 posted on 01/31/2008 10:32:07 AM PST by RightWhale (oil--the world currency)
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To: weegee

I agree. There is a ton of good music being produced these days. Just like you don’t look for the MSM for news, don’t look at the record companies for music.

I highly recommend Richard Taylor’s absolutely excellent podcasts (download from his site - http://www.rrradio.com/)about once a month. Hour long roots rock show. Great stuff, and no, I’m not Richard (but he is engineering and producing my band’s cd).


34 posted on 01/31/2008 12:28:15 PM PST by dmz
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To: Mr. Blonde

but who wants to spend 20 bucks for just audio, when you can get a movie for 10? It makes no sense.
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To you, maybe. To me, buying a movie makes no sense. How many movies will you really watch multiple times? A handful, maybe.

Music, OTOH, one will listen to time and time again.


35 posted on 01/31/2008 12:35:24 PM PST by dmz
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To: bamahead

I saw U2 live on the Elevation tour. U2 ruined music. They’re talentless hacks.


36 posted on 01/31/2008 3:42:47 PM PST by Salo
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To: bamahead
ISPs have for years profited from that illegal downloading, which occurs on their networks, and their arguments that it isn't their job to police the internet are no longer valid, he said.

The relevant legal term is "common carrier." If I plot a crime over the telephone, the phone company is not liable for providing the line. I would hate to live in a country where the phone company is allowed to -- let alone required to -- police the content of every packet I sent to or receive from their networks.

McGuinness said much of Silicon Valley arose out of "hippy values" that did not include a respect for copyright and established business models.

I'll give him partial credit. Desktop computers were definitely driven by hippie values -- the goal was to wrest control over computers out of the hands of powerful business, government and academic institutions and give it to everyone. Power to the people.

There was certainly no love for established business models. F--- established business models. If the computing pioneers of the 1970s respected existing business models, we'd still be using terminals and dialing into IBM mainframes.

No respect for copyrights? Gates, Allen, Ballmer, Jpbs, Wozniak, Ellison, and on and on have all become billionaires on the strength of their intellectual property.

"There are plenty of private equity fund managers who are Deadheads," he said, a reference to hippy icons The Grateful Dead. "And embedded deep down in the brilliance of those entrepreneurial, hippy values seems to be a disregard for the true value of music."

The Grateful Dead allowed fans to tape their shows. If you bought a ticket in the right section and you owned a tape deck you could carry, you didn't even need a mike. They'd let you plug straight into the board. The result? The Dead were the top-grossing touring band in the country for about 30 years, right up until Jerry died. Prince took the title then, and he hasn't let it go.

Information is now fungible, and music is now just another form of information. Adapt or perish It's that f'n simple.

37 posted on 01/31/2008 4:03:17 PM PST by ReignOfError (`)
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To: r9etb
And, interestingly, it is those folks who will benefit most from internet distribution. For all I know it's already out there somewhere ... but I can easily see the advent of a "YouTune" type industry where good, self-produced music can bubble to the top for cheap.

Take a look at youtube.com

Lots of indie bands put up videos there, with links to where you can buy more of their music from Amazon and itunes

38 posted on 01/31/2008 4:21:31 PM PST by PapaBear3625
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