Posted on 01/18/2008 11:23:43 AM PST by Postal Dude
First of all, I am a German conservative who gives the CDU [Christian Democratic Union] his vote. I like my chancellor Angela Merkel, and I like my country. I DO like EUROPEAN diversity. This excludes Muslims! I consider myself a right-winger and I am pro-Israel. But I also do admit, that the Nazis were, after all, right-wing.
Fact is: The Nazis were ULTRA-right-wing extremistic, white supremacistic facists! Yes, their political party was called the "National Socialist German Workers Party", but it was neither a socialist nor a workers party! This name was purely propaganda to gain the people's votes to win the elections!
You can't judge a party by it's name anyway! For example: The "State Peace and Development Council" is the name of the ruling party of Burma [Myanmar]! The country is in fact ruled by a military dictatorship! They slaughtered thousands of innocent monks not long ago [you all heard about this disgusting story]! Burma ISN'T peaceful, and for sure it ISN'T developing, no matter what name their ruling party has!
What does THE LEFT stand for: Diversity by all means, Internationality, Multiculturalism, Pacifism, Racial Equality, Equal Rights for Homosexuals, Abortion, and so on! So that's, what ADOLF HITLER and his NAZI PARTY standed for?! HELL NO! THE OPPOSITE WAS TRUE!
Yes, there ARE a few points, where the socialist and the nazi politics meet! One point is "the Jews"! Well, do they really meet? The socialists, the leftists, do hate Israel, yes, but the Nazis DO HATE THE JEWS! The majority of the American Jews vote Democrat! So does that mean they all hate themselves? No! They dislike the American and Israeli intervention doctrine [I don't know why, really], but for sure they don't want to get rid of themselves! That's BS! Of course there are some idiotic self-hating Jews [Naturei Karta], but they are a MINORITY!
In WWII Hitler did pact with Stalin, but solely for strategic reasons. In the end, Hitler wanted to exterminate over 100 million Soviet citizens, of all ethnic groups, he deemed SUBHUMAN [see "Generalplan Ost"]. Do socialists deem other races, DOES Hillary Clinton deem Mexicans or African-Americans SUBHUMAN?! Do socialists want to get rid [BY MASSMURDER] of the diverse nation? NO! Their views are diametral opposed to that of the nazis! These idiots LOVE the diverse nation! They promote it! They live the diversity! But NAZIS deem human beings "unworthy of life"! Only NAZIS talk about "lesser races" and the "master race"! The Soviet Union was the most diverse nation on earth back then, whereas Nazi Germany was one of the most UNdiverse nations on earth! The Nazis literally KILLED the diversity!
Fact is: the Nazis did were right-wing. But that DOESN'T mean, all right-wing people are the same. That's MSN BS! Even an idiot has to recognice the difference between us GOOD christian, pro-Israel right-wingers and the "Stormfront, white supremacist, anti-semitic right-wingers"!
i suggest that you look at jonah goldberg’s new book:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841
Case closed.
The socialists in UK push for the abortion of children who might have Downs Syndrome, cleft palates and club feet.
Margaret Sanger, the “Mother” of Planned Parenthood, expressed her intention of wiping out “The Negro Race.” This was during the 1930s.
Case reopened due to a preponderance of evidence.
Exactly
Rosie O'Donnel, Michael Moore and Sean Penn are Socialists. They don't want the regular guy to have guns. However Rosie and Michael want their body guards to be armed. Sean Penn has his own guns.
He wanted German women to BREED like animals! Of course, he wanted FORCED abortion to all SUBHUMANS!
Again; Margaret Sanger's expressed goal was to make blacks extinct. Most Planned Parenthood clinics are in the minority sections of cities. Additionally; socialists are trying to coerce mothers to abort based on possible birth defects (in many cases the child is normal). It sounds like their trying to "create a perfect race."
Are you series? That's hugh!
Wow. Now that he said thinking the Nazis were socialists is idiotic he’s got me convinced.
When TahRAYsuh Heinz Kerry said anyone who didn’t like John (he was in Vietnam) Kerry’s health plan was an idiot I was convinced too.
I’m convinced that Postal Dude is a troll. And I bet he’s almost as smart as TahRAYsuh.
He is zotbait for sure.
;-)
The common ground was that, bottom line, the Party told you what to do, and nobody really cared who was 'right" or "left." That was for the effete Frenchmen to worry about, over their absinthe.
He’s also gone strangely silent. It seems that the moment the argument was wretched from the emotional spectrum to facts and real data he scuttled into a crack in the linoleum.
Too bad they banned DDT. It works great on roaches.
How long would it take before State Medical care was denied to, say, smokers? Pick another 'expensive' group to go next--the "obese" perhaps,or the elderly?
Control of critical resources and the allocation thereof has always been the easiest way to eliminate entire populations. Starvation is among the most notable weapons of mass destruction.
Given a chance, the liberals would control your health care access, your diet, where you live or the resources available (Google: Agenda 21), your energy consumption, etc.
In some areas, their idea of what is suitable for you to have could easliy amount to a death sentence.
That's their propaganda excuse. Many of the useful idiots may believe guns are "evil", but the leaders know that an armed populace would prevent them from achieving their goals.
So while not socialist in the strict sense, their economic policies were socialistic.
Pournelle’s chart is accurate with regard to attitudes towards the state.
Without commentary from him it’s hard to tell if he understood that the attitude towards Reason is theoretical, not actual.
Commies claimed that their system was scientific and rational, but of course it wasn’t, as science by definition doesn’t kill anybody who disagrees. The scientific method requires disagreement and challenge to function.
Fascists and Nazis, OTOH, were vocal about their disdain for science and reason, proclaiming the superiority of blood, soil, nation and race over science and reason. But they were just as anxious as anybody else to use the fruits of science and reason, and in the case of the Nazis were quite good at it.
To have an even vaguely intelligent discussion about this subject you need to decide what period you are going to discuss. While the Left certainly stands for all these things today, it hasn't for most of its history.
IMHO, the most fruitful period for discussion of the Socialist/Fascist connection is the 20s, which is the period when both groups first gained political power.
The Socialists and Progressives were quite different from those of today. Of the list above they generally supported Internationality, Multiculturalism and Pacifism.
But they generally opposed:
Racial Equality. The 20s were the heyday of the color bar. It was generally accepted that science had proven that humans came in unequal species. In South Africa the Socialists fought for the rights of white miners against the evil Jewish mine owners who wanted to hire blacks.
Equal Rights for Homosexuals. Not a popular cause anywhere, so far as I can tell, before at earliest the 70s. AAMOF, the pre-1933 Nazi party, and most especially the SA, were dominated by ardent butch homos. Much like the Spartans, they considered homosexuality more masculine than messing about with women.
Abortion. Many Progressives supported abortion for the inferior races while opposing it for the superior ones, which was very much the Nazi approach.
There are a few articles on FR describing a plan in California for the state to control the thermostat (and therefore the heating and air conditioning) of private residences.
They were and are socialists.
The gun control the pushed was pure socialism. Their ecconomics and social policy were socialist.
Read the “pink swastika”
YES, they were!
Homosexuals do the same thing. The NAZIs were full of homosexuals. Roehlm famously so.
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