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Human Role Not Ruled Out in Tiger Attack
MyWay/Drudge ^ | 12-26-2007 | robertson

Posted on 12/27/2007 10:18:04 AM PST by wardaddy

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The big cat exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo was cordoned off as a crime scene Wednesday as investigators tried to determine whether a Siberian tiger that killed a visitor escaped from its high-walled pen on its own or got help from someone, inadvertent or otherwise.

Police shot the 300-pound animal to death after a Christmas Day rampage that began when the tiger escaped from an enclosure surrounded by what zoo officials said are an 18-foot wall and a 20-foot moat. Two brothers who also were visiting the zoo were severely mauled.

Police Chief Heather Fong said the department has opened a criminal investigation to "determine if there was human involvement in the tiger getting out or if the tiger was able to get out on its own."

Police said they have not ruled anything out, including whether the escape was the result of carelessness or a deliberate act.

(AP) Tatiana, a female Siberian tiger that killed one person and injured two others, is seen in the lion... Full Image

Fong said officers were gathering evidence from the tiger's enclosure as well as accounts from witnesses and others.

One zoo official insisted the tiger did not get out through an open door and must have climbed or leaped out. But Jack Hanna, former director of the Columbus Zoo and a frequent guest on TV, said such a leap would be an unbelievable feat, and "virtually impossible."

"There's something going on here. It just doesn't feel right to me," he said. "It just doesn't add up to me."

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: humancompassion; maul; sf; tiger; zoo
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To: atomic conspiracy

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_7820353?source=most_viewed

The San Francisco Zoo’s tiger enclosure does not meet the industry suggested safety standards, according to a zoo official.

Zoo director Manuel Mollinedo this afternoon said the dimension’s of the enclosure’s moat and wall that he quoted Wednesday were inaccurate. Instead of a 20-foot-wide dry moat and 18-foot wall, the enclosure has a 33-foot-wide moat and a 12-foot-5-inch wall.

The Association of Zoos and Aquariums suggests a minimum of a 16-foot-4-inch wall - which is considered a conservative barrier.


282 posted on 12/27/2007 3:54:27 PM PST by Greysard
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To: Greysard

Is the moat supposed to be dry? I don’t know what good a dry moat would be—water, maybe four feet deep, would keep a strong, large animal from getting enough momentum to do a straight jump upwards.


283 posted on 12/27/2007 4:02:49 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: biscuit jane
I got your hateful comment right here.

Don’t those Mexicans know a fence means Keep Out! (insert your own punchline here...)

Dom Pedro had told them if they could sneak past the water barrier and the fence that is where the good jobs all are.

Tatiana Tiger: “Damn! My first night out and all I can get to eat is greasy Mexican food!”

If the Kids parents are half as stupid as they raised their son to be they’ll blow their settlement money pronto, but they’ll still have that shiny new Darwin Award trophy on the mantle.

Can we get some tigers for the border?

I could go on and on, This is great joke material.

284 posted on 12/27/2007 4:19:15 PM PST by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
At close range?

Yes, that all you can get from a tranquilizer gun.

What are we debating?

Damed if I know.

Happy New Year to you and yours.

Regards,
GtG

285 posted on 12/27/2007 4:20:49 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: livius
These are dangerous animals and more people are killed by tigers than by any other animal in the world.

You sure about that

I was under the belief that Hippos were the biggest killers in Africa
I know there are no tigers in Africa but they have lions and leopards
286 posted on 12/27/2007 4:22:08 PM PST by uncbob (m first)
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To: uncbob

YUP


287 posted on 12/27/2007 4:24:43 PM PST by antivenom (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much damn space!)
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To: ßuddaßudd
Why wouldnt a larger cat be able to scale a larger wall?

A larger cat would be able to scale a larger wall, but not a proportionately larger one.

288 posted on 12/27/2007 4:26:56 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got Seven? [NRA Life Member])
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To: Mamzelle

I’m not an expert to say if the moat ought to be dry or filled, but the photos show a dry moat. As far as I know, you are right in guessing about the purpose of the moat - it is to make jumps onto the wall impossible. But here we have a dry moat, which the tiger could visit at any time, and a wall that nobody bothered to measure for half a century. Given this, I believe tigers haven’t been escaping earlier just because they didn’t want to.


289 posted on 12/27/2007 4:32:46 PM PST by Greysard
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To: wardaddy
Somehow if the kids taunted to tiger then it’s ok they died or they deserved it.

Is it OK? No. It's a little late to approve or disapprove IMO. It's done.

If they were taunting the tiger did they deserve to be killed or mauled? I guess that depends upon what you mean by "deserve." It was a natural consequence of their actions which were undertaken by their own free-will choices. Would I consider that a morally or ethically balanced result? No. But it is a perfectly ordered result of their actions given the reality of 'tiger.' If you harass a large predatory animal you are creating the conditions for a result just like this.

I can empathize with ignorance but I sure can't sympathize with it.

290 posted on 12/27/2007 4:37:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Be the answer to someone else's prayer.)
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To: Fawn

Maybe the tiger was planning it. Maybe they’re smarter than we think...

Personally I want to welcome our new feline overlords...


291 posted on 12/27/2007 4:49:26 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Happy New Year to you and yours.

And also you :~)

292 posted on 12/27/2007 4:56:24 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: HairOfTheDog

More likely the cops didn’t want anyone running around with bigger guns than they had.

Or they’re trained to disarm all non-LEOs.


293 posted on 12/27/2007 4:59:02 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite
More likely the cops didn’t want anyone running around with bigger guns than they had.

Yeah yeah... how about we sit around and insult the only people in this story who ~didn't~ screw up or do something stupid?

294 posted on 12/27/2007 5:01:43 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Mamzelle

You think Meerkats are ugly? Weird.


295 posted on 12/27/2007 5:07:42 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: Mamzelle

And they are actually clean animals from what I can recall...they aren’t rodents either.


296 posted on 12/27/2007 5:08:25 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: HairOfTheDog

Apparently the dead kid even grabbed the tiger’s tail according to an earlier post!

If true, he has to be Darwin Award winner of the year.


297 posted on 12/27/2007 5:10:33 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: HairOfTheDog

One of the first reports I heard said that the cops saw the tiger mauling one of the victims and yelled at it to stop. When the cat turned towards them, they fired.

Now, I know better than most that first reports are usually incorrect, but...


298 posted on 12/27/2007 5:13:24 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: PLMerite

I don’t think anything more or less has been reported since...


299 posted on 12/27/2007 5:14:52 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Greysard

Nobody probably dangled a leg over the edge and possibly even grabbed the tiger’s tail, so no doubt they saw no need to try to escape. This event just got the adrenaline going so she said “I’m out of here to get that punk.”

Before, they saw the people, but they weren’t particularly interested in attacking them probably since they had a good diet as it was.


300 posted on 12/27/2007 5:15:33 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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